From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:23:45 +0200 Message-ID: <8564hy5aq6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153032209 23558 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 06:43:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 16 08:43:27 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G20Le-0005pY-TA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:43:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G20Le-0006kq-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G20LR-0006k8-BX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:43:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G20LQ-0006j7-MG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G20LQ-0006ij-An for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G20Nn-0004id-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:45:39 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G20LM-0002qW-82; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:43:10 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B1A951C3660E; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:23:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: "Drew Adams" In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:41:22 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57080 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > `n' and `p' are not shortcuts - they're the prime method of > using the functions. Rather, the mouse equivalents should be > regarded as ambages. > > Another in the Mouseless-That-Roared camp, eh? A small, but very > vocal and militant minority, apparently. It does not give you any thoughts that from your "majority", you are the only one to speak up? > The point is that we do not *have* to teach people how to get to > next and previous nodes (provided they have a mouse, which most > users do [OUCH!]). That is advertised at the top of the buffer with > big blazing buttons. It's just, well, brain-dead obvious. If you > blindfold yourself, then you might need a tutorial to help you get > through the living room, but if you turn `blindfold-mode' OFF... it > hurts a lot less. > > We certainly don't need to spend the first several minutes of the > tutorial on `n' and `p', even for the mouseless. For the moused, we > can teach `n' and `p' later, after they know what Info is all > about. (Hint: it is not about `n' or `p'; it has something to do > with finding `Info'rmation.) The mouse can only be used for the most important functions as a fallback. It does not make sense in a tutorial to focus on the less important functions first. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum