From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: [simon.marshall@misys.com: Font Lock on-the-fly misfontification in C++] Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:32:43 +0200 Message-ID: <8564hcg8k4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20060723142630.GB1433@muc.de> <20060731220419.GF1271@muc.de> <20060801075924.GA1176@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1154421197 29131 80.91.229.2 (1 Aug 2006 08:33:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 01 10:33:13 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7pgd-0005aI-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:33:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7pgd-0002Yc-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:33:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7pgP-0002YA-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:32:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G7pgO-0002Xu-Vn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:32:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G7pgO-0002Xj-QX; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7pjF-0005Sl-Cm; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G7pgH-0000Rr-25; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 04:32:49 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 19E991C000B3; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:32:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Alan Mackenzie In-Reply-To: <20060801075924.GA1176@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Tue, 1 Aug 2006 08:59:25 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57926 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:13241 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Good morning, Richard! > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 07:59:55PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> To speak of "GNU Emacs" and "XEmacs" gives the impression that >> XEmacs has nothing to do with GNU. > > XEmacs isn't maintained by the GNU project. Correct. >> Since XEmacs is a forked version of Emacs, that is a misleading >> impression. Please write "Emacs" and "XEmacs", or else "GNU Emacs" >> and "GNU XEmacs". > > "Emacs", unqualified, can be ambiguous. No. > It can mean either (i) "an editor of the Emacs persuasion"; In which case you can write "Emacsen". Anyway, there are quite more "editors of the Emacs persuasion", such as MicroEmacs and jed, and we don't mean them when writing "Emacs", either. If you mean "Emacs or XEmacs", write "Emacs or XEmacs". > or (ii) "the best editor in the world, maintained by the GNU > project". This is redundant. > In contexts where it is important to emphasise that (ii) is meant, > surely "GNU Emacs" is what to write. Please read the Emacs FAQ entry. We don't need to go through all that _again_. It has been discussed to death already. > "XEmacs", by contrast, means what it means. It's what its > maintainers call it. So why would "Emacs" not mean what its maintainers call it? Here is the FAQ entry: (info "(efaq) Difference between Emacs and XEmacs.") [...] If you want to talk about these two versions and distinguish them, please call them "Emacs" and "XEmacs." To contrast "XEmacs" with "GNU Emacs" would be misleading, since XEmacs too has its origin in the work of the GNU Project. Terms such as "Emacsen" and "(X)Emacs" are not wrong, but they are not very clear, so it is better to write "Emacs and XEmacs." We have had lots of discussions before settling on this, so please don't start it again. We need to get work done. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum