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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version'
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:43:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85646rzklk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvfy5wn58l.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed\, 16 May 2007 11\:46\:23 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> The biggest benefit I see is that packages can be updated on the
>>> package maintainer's schedule.  Emacs, on the other hand, is updated
>>> on the Emacs maintainers' schedule.
>
> Pleae, let's not link the issue of including a package-installer (such as
> package.el) with the issue of which packages to (un)bundle.
> These are completely separate questions.
>
> package.el is useful to deal with non-bundled packages: there are
> many of those and they're not about to be all bundled.

I would think that if we could be able to say "if you have organized
your Lisp source files in such&such a way with this&that information
in the following format in its head, then using the command
M-x package-pull-into-current RET filename.el RET
will install the file and its associated files into your currently used
Emacs.  Using the command
M-x package-pull-into-source RET filename.el RET
will make it a part of your Emacs source tree (which you can then
either compile or commit).  And
M-x package-update RET filename.el RET
will look up any dedicated servers declared in the comments from
filename.el and will replace it (and its associated files) by a new
version which you can then either pull into current or pull into
source.

That would be a good feature/thing/whatever, and it could be made to
work with everything included in Emacs.  It could even ask whether you
want to pull from some package server, the last release from the
declared upstream, or a vc version from.

Creating a bunch of easy to follow conventions for this kind of
functionality, and updating source files to follow them by and by
would be a fine idea, I think.

But everything prescribing rigid procedures, policies, servers etc to
satisfy (like the XEmacs package system and its associated policies)
is asking for organized stagnation.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-17 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-09 19:56 CVS is the `released version' Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-09 19:59 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10  2:00   ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10  6:03     ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-10 11:43       ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-10 11:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  6:58     ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 11:58       ` Andrea Russo
2007-05-10 12:34         ` Thomas Hühn
2007-05-09 20:12 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10  2:18 ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-10 18:24 ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-10 19:05   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-11 18:48     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-11 20:19       ` joakim
2007-05-12 16:47         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-12 20:26           ` joakim
2007-05-13  8:49           ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-13  9:38             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-13 11:28               ` Ralf Angeli
2007-05-13 12:53                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14  1:43               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14  8:09             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-14 15:19               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 18:29               ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16  2:23               ` Mike Mattie
2007-05-14  1:17           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14  5:06             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-05-14  6:47               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14 15:07               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 17:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-14  6:41             ` David Kastrup
2007-05-14  8:02               ` joakim
2007-05-14 15:10               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 18:41                 ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-14 19:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-14 19:16                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-14 22:36                   ` Ryan Yeske
2007-05-16 15:46                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-17 12:43                     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-05-17 14:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-15 23:52                 ` thorne
2007-05-18 23:10             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-18 23:31               ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-19 22:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:33                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:45                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21  5:19                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 10:33                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:46                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:36                             ` JD Smith
2007-05-21 18:47                               ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 18:51                               ` Chong Yidong
2007-05-21 19:02                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 14:52                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-25 21:13                               ` Ken Manheimer
2007-05-25 21:24                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-26  7:01                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-28  3:10                                   ` dhruva
2007-05-29  0:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-29  6:21                                       ` dhruva
2007-05-29  9:30                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 10:30                                           ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 14:36                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 14:45                                               ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-29 17:49                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-29 22:00                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 15:43                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 16:15                                                       ` joakim
2007-06-02 17:29                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03  9:56                                                           ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-30 15:44                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30 21:55                                                     ` Frank Schmitt
2007-05-31 22:32                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-30  4:27                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03  3:23                                 ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22  8:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:33                           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:32                             ` CVS is the `released version' (ELL and the ohio lisp archive) Stephen Eglen
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-24 21:58                               ` New Extensions (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') Henrik Enberg
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 12:03                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21 12:13                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 12:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:18                           ` jasonr
2007-05-21 15:39                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 10:10                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 11:18                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 13:36                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-22 15:19                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-22 15:37                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-22 15:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22 17:24                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-23 14:54                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-23 15:02                                       ` Jason Rumney
2007-05-23 19:08                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-05-21  2:57                       ` Bob Rogers
2007-05-21 13:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 16:22                           ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:53                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:41                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 19:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-22  4:38                     ` Xavier Maillard
2007-05-20  7:54                   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-20 21:53                     ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21  5:24                       ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21  5:53                         ` dhruva
2007-05-21  6:51                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21  8:47                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-21  9:22                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 13:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 13:51                           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 10:17                       ` package.el (was: Re: CVS is the `released version') David Reitter
2007-05-21 17:40                         ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 18:13                           ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-21 22:43                           ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 22:51                             ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 23:48                               ` package.el Davis Herring
2007-05-21 23:56                                 ` package.el Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-05-25 21:39                                 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-27  1:00                                   ` package.el Richard Stallman
2007-05-21 23:50                               ` package.el David Reitter
2007-05-21 23:44                                 ` package.el Tom Tromey
2007-05-22  2:21                                   ` package.el Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-05-22 10:18                                   ` package.el Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 22:57                             ` package.el David Kastrup
2007-05-20 22:05                     ` CVS is the `released version' Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-19 22:31                   ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-20 17:05                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-20 21:23                       ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-21 12:59                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 13:03                         ` David Kastrup
2007-05-21 14:14                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-05-21 16:50                         ` Tom Tromey
2007-05-22 14:51                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-22  6:10               ` Trent Buck
2007-05-22  7:56                 ` David Kastrup
2007-05-24 21:22                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-05-10 20:42   ` David Kastrup
2007-05-10 23:05 ` Lukasz Stafiniak
2007-05-10 23:23   ` Davis Herring
2007-05-11 12:31     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen

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