From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:14 +0200 Message-ID: <8564281r5x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190093131 4063 80.91.229.12 (18 Sep 2007 05:25:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 18 07:25:30 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IXVaS-0005ti-Cr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXVaQ-0001a2-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXVaM-0001Zx-0x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IXVaI-0001Zl-Bz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IXVaI-0001Zi-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IXVaH-0001oo-Lt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:25:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.18]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6D527B54F; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC675BF07; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-055-154.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.55.154]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3A319B322; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BDDB21CDAC0C; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:25:14 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon\, 17 Sep 2007 15\:43\:30 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4312/Mon Sep 17 20:03:23 2007 on mail-in-01.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79172 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> one could make the splash screen appear regardless the very first >> time Emacs were run, in that if no .emacs were present it would >> automatically write one that suppressed the splash-screen-with-arguments >> behavior. > > Yes, the splash screen is useful for a first use of Emacs, and its > usefulness diminishes over time. > > FWIW, I do something similar to give new Icicles users a help reminder in > the prompt. It is there only for N Emacs sessions, but a user can override > this behavior. FWIW, this is what I do: > > (defcustom icicle-reminder-prompt-flag 7 I don't think that is a good idea: the user can very well skip the screen and decide "I'll read this next time when I need it". How often he will skip it before reading it, we can't know. We should really try finding a behavior that will put the information in obvious and easy reach to the user every time, and won't be annoying. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum