From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: font-lock-comment-delimiter-face Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 17:46:39 +0200 Message-ID: <854qczuskg.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87wtq3ydmf.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <17029.21411.495779.643570@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17030.32533.416687.524645@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <85k6m04y6f.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <857ji0nly2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874qcz8jxd.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1116517771 6868 80.91.229.2 (19 May 2005 15:49:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Edward O'Connor , Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 19 17:49:22 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnEF-0000DB-Rw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:46:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnGu-0005r6-WF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:49:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnGM-0005cP-3L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:48:42 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnGJ-0005a0-G7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:48:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYnGJ-0005YT-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:48:39 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYnMk-0006Cm-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:55:18 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DYnDm-0003Pw-E2; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:46:02 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 699541C46512; Thu, 19 May 2005 17:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "Thu, 19 May 2005 17:01:14 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:37359 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:37359 storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> And this is a small change. > > And - as any small change - causes a lot of discussion which > takes away time from making the release. > >> - The most important problem: it's majorly buggy. > > And we can conclude by now that THERE ARE NO SMALL CHANGES. > > So far, it seems that the only user wanting this new feature > is RMS, and it surely wasn't listed in FOR-RELEASE before it > was added. One thing we wanted to have done for release is to be able to enable font-locking by default. Richard considered the default behavior with comments unsuitable for general use and tried changing that. The question is whether we can come up with a good scheme not requiring destabilizing changes that would address his concerns. Personally, I would still want to see font-lock enabled by default for 22.1. Since I don't use it myself, I am not in the position of judging what kind of coloring and schemes people liking font locking (and it would appear to be a large majority, particularly among beginning users) would find acceptable, and what not. I don't like the destabilizing prospects of the recent experiments, and I don't like the prospect of having font-lock disabled by default because we could not find settings with the current scheme that were deemed generally acceptable. The current experiments seem to indicate that the necessary changes to sanely accommodate the scheme of Richard are too complicated for the current point of time. I don't think that this was obvious from the beginning. At the current point of time it would seem to be most sensible to me to scrap the current attempts, record Stefan's proposal in TODO, and find settings for the font locking of comments that work well on most platforms (after all, faces _can_ specify colors depending on tty and color scarcity) now. If the results then are generally tolerable, font-locking can probably be globally enabled for the next release. If not, not. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum