From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:03:34 +0200 Message-ID: <853ax4lhvt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <851wcw1qht.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <871wctziwv.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> <87lkb1z0vg.fsf@anzu.internal.golden-gryphon.com> <858x71w5f5.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <4zvea54019.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87myvgrivy.fsf@jurta.org> <86r6ksxz9n.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <87hclmlq2x.fsf@jurta.org> <87hclmbgp9.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzpleivg.fsf@jurta.org> <878x6xypuq.fsf@kfs-lx.testafd.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190613842 25867 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2007 06:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. 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Storm's message of "Mon\, 24 Sep 2007 00\:33\:01 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4376/Mon Sep 24 04:15:24 2007 on mail-in-09.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79668 Archived-At: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > Juri Linkov writes: > >> As I understand, there are two goals (not necessarily contradicting) >> we are trying to achieve now: >> >> 1. Bring the information about Emacs and the GNU project to beginners >> in a way that is hard to miss. > > So maybe we should display the splash screen only on non-GNU systems :-) > > If I installed Emacs on GNU/Linux, Emacs doesn't have to go out of > its tell me about GNU. IIRC, pretty much the main point about the educational messages was to make ignorant users of GNU aware of what they are using. Teaching the value of freedom is particularly important to those that already enjoy it, since they are least likely to cherish it. >> 2. Do this in a way that makes no harm to non-beginners. > > Maybe the splash screen on M$ Windoze should read something like this: > > You are currently using a non-free operating system that is specifically > designed to take away your freedom and put restrictions on what you can > and cannot do with your computer. > > However, by starting GNU Emacs, you have entered the GNU project's world > of free software, where the GNU Public License (GPL) protects your freedom > to use, modify, and distribute software. > > For more information about the GNU project, type C-h C-p I don't think that we should take the fun out of using Emacs in that solemn manner on the splash screen. Using Emacs should be doing more to let people appreciate freedom than reading the splash screen. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum