From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:51 +0200 Message-ID: <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208723599 13233 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2008 20:33:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Dan Nicolaescu , Stefan Monnier , drew.adams@oracle.com To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 20 22:33:53 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JngES-0004Dl-1h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:33:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JngDm-00066F-Id for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JngDi-00064x-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JngDg-00063B-Ue for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:33:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JngDg-000638-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.53]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JngDd-0008Az-0k; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.85]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0831E514B; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (mail-in-10.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.50]) by mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99FE107E18; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-002-239.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.2.239]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCF52351A2; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B75C51C39587; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:32:51 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:28:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6850/Sun Apr 20 19:05:45 2008 on mail-in-10.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95546 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > David Kastrup wrote: >> With the current semantics of active regions and delete-selection-mode, >> I consider the end result painful. That does not change that it may >> also be in some cases be useful. >> >> Does really nobody have an idea how to improve the situation? > > Do I understand you right when I assume that the painful thing for old > users would be that typing new text would delete the selection? > > Many new users expects this. Not when they are not expecting an active region in the first place. There are more ways to make a region active than the explicit ways that a "new user expects". > If the default will be that typing new text replaces the visible > region then maybe there should be a substate where it is possible to > type in new text while the region is visible? One way this could be > done is to let C-x C-x go into that substate (in addition to doing > what it does now). > > Would that be to inconvinient? It sounds messy. We already have too many different region states. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum