From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bird Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Keybinding styles Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 21:54:48 +0545 Message-ID: <8535qkwcdv.fsf@airmail.cc> References: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com> <90277C17-5C44-411F-A43A-EFCA9C0B7345@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37614"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Tim Cross , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuan Fu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 04 18:21:46 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mMYQH-0009Vr-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 18:21:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53758 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMYQG-0006XP-FI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:21:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMYEb-0002zu-SV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:09:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.cock.li ([37.120.193.124]:48032) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mMYEZ-0002IL-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:09:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1630771770; bh=Gts5aIu09Kf2hsf9ycfhlbCQgiHi8cuz41RTvR4F8nI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=tJZvCRxtL+CkaoUbwxfC7rvIDTBhz3gj/gYoxewqpOFexYjiWMcWveqy9KenLxmPw a7GzQhAwOXgUqx4BuQCMwg+HW25VZ2R2tayGlKO0cFdpZTGqHajVrAyBgwUTMlXMU1 vJ5sMURZTCQWeaClWu1hl6bdJK86P1lebQ4PHbSB/u+ONtQ9ia5uPmUkGANA9eonV+ Du4i/wR6OZr+1PX/FZyuXLizkkKe78Yzjh3Ugoio9gPwha/aSN0LPUaI70cIAw+6MG 62d9acCqxu9P4aQcD+IleytvSh4PaUFBXHGXWvntUxA/P6k7H/hHotkQWyZrJDD6MX 7arzKWnrSQByg== In-Reply-To: <90277C17-5C44-411F-A43A-EFCA9C0B7345@gmail.com> (Yuan Fu's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2021 08:44:02 -0700") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=37.120.193.124; envelope-from=birdsite@airmail.cc; helo=mail.cock.li X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Sep 2021 12:19:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273923 Archived-At: Yuan Fu writes: >> On Sep 4, 2021, at 6:26 AM, Stefan Monnier wr= ote: >>=20 >>[clip] >> I keep wishing someone came up with a clever way for modes to specify >> their key-bindings in such a way that Emacs can automatically derive from >> it the keys to use "normally" as well as the keys to use in Evil or the >> keys to use in god-mode, or the keys to use in this hypothetical new >> `really-cua-mode`, ... >> So as to finally address this long-term maintenance challenge. >>=20 > > On Mac I never had the problem because C-x/c/v and other system > shortcuts are bound to the Command key, not Control. So I can use > Emacs bindings with Control and system shortcuts with Command. Can we > do the same in Windows and Linux? We can use the win key as Control > for Emacs=E2=80=94seems that was where the Control key back in the day an= yway. > > Yuan A lot of people use the mod4/win/super key for managing their Desktop Environment/Window Manager especially people using tiling window managers. Already a lot of Desktop Environments have used Alt(meta) key for their own use which is very annoying. So using the super key in place of control will probably not be a great use to many folks.