From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display table for eight-bit-graphic Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:17:50 +0100 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84of65cz3l.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <200301250116.KAA11729@etlken.m17n.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1043490343 31822 80.91.224.249 (25 Jan 2003 10:25:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18cNVO-0008H8-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:25:42 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18cNYZ-00086T-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:28:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cNVw-0003T9-02 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:26:16 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cNP9-0007VZ-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:19:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cNOy-0007QX-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:19:05 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18cNOw-0007QI-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18cNNF-00084C-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:17:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18cNNF-000842-00 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:17:17 +0100 Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Vh8riHi/D81xJwAxS5adXjeHcmU= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:11044 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:11044 Kenichi Handa writes: > In article , Dave Love writes: > >> I just got reminded about this. I think the standard display table >> should display eight-bit-graphic characters as octal in multibyte >> mode. Displaying them as graphics can be misleading. > > I agree, and I vaguely remember that we discussed it looong > ago, and people agreed on displaying them as octal. I thought it was discussed and it was agreed to display them as graphic? But I agree that it is misleading. I think the idea was that people who use eight-bit locales expect things to be displayed using that charset -- so if a random byte comes along, and it happens to match the code for ä in that locale, then display that byte as ä. Regardless of whether the random byte is really known to be in iso-8859-1 encoding. So Emacs would match the behavior of /bin/cat in this respect. Hm. I think that Erik Naggum has argued in this direction before. His stuff is sometimes difficult to read (because you have to ignore the rant) but I guess his arguments are more coherent and comprehensible than mine. -- Ambibibentists unite!