From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 13:07:55 +0200 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84of3p2m44.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <20030325193739.ZGIN3924.fep01-svc.swip.net@gaffa.gaia.swipnet.se> <3E8345E8.4090509@swipnet.se> <1048872463.17161.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1049134327.3326.74.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200304020429.h324TOP11647@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049286788 30965 80.91.224.249 (2 Apr 2003 12:33:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 02 14:33:07 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 190hQR-00083J-00 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:33:07 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 190hRV-0006ix-00 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:34:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 190hIj-0004vq-05 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:25:09 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 190hID-0004qs-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:24:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 190hHg-0004hC-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:24:35 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 190h2k-0001Iy-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:08:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 190h2S-0006Qk-00 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:08:20 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 190h2S-0006Qb-00 for ; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:08:20 +0200 Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:HyGgSDVHSiRCPhPP2K6wT7ioibo= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12838 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12838 Luc Teirlinck writes: > Two applications, Emacs and PixelStuff start out with exactly one > window height (say sixty lines) full of stuff. Both allow > overscrolling to put the last line at the top. In Emacs, the thumb > covers the entire length of the scrollbar, because all text is > visible, in PixelStuff it covers approximately half (60/119) of the > scrollbar. We scroll to the bottom. In PixelStuff, the thumb stays > the same size and moves smoothly to the bottom, until it hits the > bottom, exactly when the last line of real text gets at the top. In > Emacs, the thumb shrinks gradually to a size determined by (amount of > characters on the last line) / (total amount of characters). This is > different behavior, not an extension of behavior. I agree that this would be confusing, but until now I thought that Emacs was the only (Gtk) program which exhibited PixelStuff behavior. So I thought the issue was whether to change the only application that exhibits deviating behavior to exhibit another deviating behavior. But the thread is so long, I might have missed or forgotten some things. -- A preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with.