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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:96157 gmane.emacs.code-browser:2131 Archived-At: Eric M. Ludlam wrote: >>>> Richard M Stallman seems to think that: >> I suggest that the best way to design these features is >> to think about the actual uses (such as an IDE) and design >> features adequate for those uses. In other words, avoid >> ading more generality than we need. >=20 >=20 > I agree. Fiddling Emacs to match a model ECB currently uses will just > make ECB work. What if there is an ECB and a second program like > Speedbar, that both want to do the same thing. How do they work > together? >=20 > I know speedbar works inside ECB because ECB has special code for it, > but what if it did not? >=20 > I'd like to know how ECB, and Speedbar can work at the same time, > without being aware of eachother. Would the solution really be that > Speedbar needs some ECB client code? >=20 > The various MDIs (multi-document interface) programs like Eclipse that > I'm familiar with treat the document area, and the data display > windows as completely different entities. Eclipse has all these > independent plugins that provide little speedbar like displays that > all get stacked and manipulated by the user in a pretty simple way > that is independent of the document area. >=20 > This isn't a dis against ECB, I think it's a great tool, but > architecturally it's a one-way street that starts and ends with ECB. > That could be a positive step in itself, where ECB is the API used for > attaching many different tools around the sides of a set of edit > windows. If this is a case, we should be explicit about it. I completely agree. Emacs should not be enhanced to support especially ECB but it should be enhanced in that way so a tool *like* ECB (not exactly ECB) could be implemented without that heavy advice-stuff currently needed by ECB. and IMHO the discussion between Martin and me goes in this direction=20 (at least this is my intention ;-): I do not want all special stuff of ECB into the c-core of Emacs but Emacs should offer a well defined interface to allow tools like ECB introducing a smart window-layout- engine as needed by IDE-functionality For this some window-pining and -grouping is needed as suggested by Joakim (this is nothing special for ECB but can be very useful for other tools too - maybe speedbar) Then a mechanism is needed to display certain buffers in certain = windows. For this porting display-buffer to elisp is a great step forward. Also very helpful could be to save not only the window-configuration of = the whole frame but also to save and restore the current = subwindow-configuration of a certain window - i do not know if window-tree already supports that somehow?! Eric, do we agree with that? Klaus >=20 > Eric