From: <klaus.berndl@sdm.de>
To: <klaus.berndl@sdm.de>, <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, joakim@verona.se, ecb-list@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: patch for optional inhibit of delete-other-windows(IDE feature)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:58:51 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E3429DDD@mucmail3.sdm.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E3429DD9@mucmail3.sdm.de>
klaus.berndl@sdm.de wrote:
> martin rudalics wrote:
>> > Hmm, its a good starting point but not complete. Simply think of
>> ECB > as a tool which wants to display some special windows beside
>> an > "edit-area" whereas the former one are used to display
>> informational > context stuff as parsed tags of the current buffer
>> in the edit-area > or a file- and directory tree or a buffer-history
>> or or or... > The latter one (the edit-area) should give the user
>> the feeling as > if all windows of this edit-area would be the only
>> windows in the > frame so all standard operations would act as if
>> the edit-windows > would be the only windows in the frame...
>>
>> Is the edit-area always a rectangle? Can it be always created by
>> recursively subdividing an initial window? Is there always at most
>> one edit-area? Is there at most one edit-area in one and the same
>> frame?
>
> To all questions: YES, except the recursively subdividing one: What do
> you mean exactly?
>
> Currently the concept of ECB is:
> - Exactly one frame
sorry, misunderstandable: Must be: Exactly one frame *for ECB*
(of course there can be opened other coexistent frames used for
'not-ECB-editing' - all ECB-operations always affect the ECB-frame,
no other frame, all adviced are 100% save concerning this)
> - The is *always* exact ONE edit-area, which is always a rectangle
> - The special windows are located either at the left, at the right or
> on top of the edit area
> - the edit-arey can be subdivided in as many windows as possible
>
>>
>> > Well, a window property for preventing other windows outside the
>> > edit-area from being deleted or for a navigation only in the edit-
>> > area by other-window would be a good starting point but its not
>> the > end of the story:
>>
>> Can all operations you need be subdivided into whether they either
>> apply to all windows in the edit-area or to all windows outside the
>> edit-area?
>
> Almost: Currently ECB needs three canonical window-lists:
> - full window list of the ECB-frame
> - all windows in the edit-area
> - all special ECB-windows
> - the compile-window (always displayed at bottom) when displayed
> canonical means: always the same sequence beginning from
> top/left-most, ie. the same order an unadviced version of
> `next-window' would walk through
>
>> What mechanism do you use to access a window outside the
>> edit-area - do you suspend advices?
>
> What do you mean with "access"?
>
>>
>> > What about saving and later restoring the current window layout of
>> the > edit-area (means only these windows inside the edit-area)
>> without > affecting the layout of the special windows?
>>
>> Do you also need to save and restore the layout of the non-edit-area?
>> Earlier I got the impression that the non-edit-area would be
>> immutable, so you could easily include it in the saved configuration.
>
> Yes, currently the layout of the non-edit-area is immutable in this
> sense that redrawing the whole layout of the ECB-frame resizes the
> special windows back to their cusomized (via customize) sizes
> (can be absolute or - prefered - relative) whereas the sizes
> of the windows in the edit-area will be preserved by a layout-redraw,
> means the sizes the user has choosen by dragging modeline or what
> else...
>
>> Do you want the edit-area occasionally occupy the entire frame?
>
> Yes, there is a command which allows to hide or to toggle visibility
> of the special windows - you can imagine that this needs complex and
> smart code-stuff to preserve the window-layout of the edit-area during
> that, but it works stable and error-less...
> IMHO temporarly hidding the special windows (ie. only the edit-area
> and all its windows are visible in the ECB-frame) is a very important
> feature of an IDE...
>
>>
>> > And how to implement an option like
>> > `ecb-layout-always-operate-in-edit-window'
>> > (see docstring) without adviceing e.g. switch-to-buffer? >
>> > Just take a look at the docstring of the adviced
>> `switch-to-buffer': > IMHO even with the new pins advices are needed
>> to offer a smart and > convenient usage of an IDE like ECB...
>>
>> Couldn't this be done with the help of a `switch-buffer-function'?
>
> Yes, probably this would be possible!
>
>>
>> > maybe i will find next weekend the needed time to write down a
>> small > "functional reqirement specification" which core
>> functionality would > be required by Emacs to rewrite ECB without a
>> lot of its advices or > at least with much simpler advices...
>>
>> If possible, please list also invariants which can be used to cut
>> down the overhead for providing these requirements. Like "for any
>> frame the number of edit-areas it displays is zero or one".
>
> yes, this was my intention - see above...
>
> Klaus
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[not found] ` <84D8FEFE8D23E94E9C2A6F0C58EE07E3429A02@mucmail3.sdm.de>
2008-04-28 11:14 ` patch for optional inhibit of delete-other-windows(IDE feature) joakim
2008-04-28 11:50 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-28 15:34 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-28 15:55 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-28 15:58 ` klaus.berndl [this message]
2008-04-28 22:01 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 8:46 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 13:30 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 14:27 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 15:47 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 16:35 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-29 18:04 ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2008-04-29 18:27 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 19:04 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2008-04-29 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 21:28 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 21:27 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 23:08 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2008-04-30 5:37 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-30 11:55 ` Re[2]: " Eric M. Ludlam
2008-04-30 13:43 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-30 15:29 ` Eric M. Ludlam
2008-04-30 15:38 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-29 21:27 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-30 3:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 10:59 ` [ECB-list] patch for optional inhibit of Henry S. Thompson
2008-04-28 19:45 ` patch for optional inhibit of delete-other-windows(IDE feature) Richard M Stallman
2008-04-25 22:35 joakim
2008-04-26 1:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-26 6:56 ` joakim
2008-04-28 1:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-28 11:26 ` joakim
2008-04-28 11:41 ` Miles Bader
2008-04-28 11:55 ` joakim
2008-04-28 14:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-28 14:38 ` joakim
2008-04-28 15:04 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-28 12:56 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-30 8:09 ` klaus.berndl
2008-05-08 10:06 ` joakim
2008-05-08 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-26 14:49 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-28 1:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 11:05 ` joakim
2008-04-29 12:13 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 13:31 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 13:47 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 15:47 ` martin rudalics
2008-04-29 18:29 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-29 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-29 23:16 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-29 23:16 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30 5:57 ` joakim
2008-04-30 7:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30 8:15 ` joakim
2008-04-30 9:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-30 10:47 ` klaus.berndl
2008-04-30 22:01 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30 22:01 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-01 2:57 ` Miles Bader
2008-05-01 23:44 ` Richard M Stallman
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