From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brian Palmer Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:48:43 -0700 Message-ID: <847aaaf20412122248663630aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <878y84t52h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <01c4e091$Blat.v2.2.2$b6626d00@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: Brian Palmer NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102920881 13229 80.91.229.6 (13 Dec 2004 06:54:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:54:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 13 07:54:35 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cdk6N-00026I-00 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 07:54:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdkGS-00078d-Nq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:05:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdkGG-00077W-J4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:04:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CdkGE-00076d-Vp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:04:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CdkGE-00075x-Mc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:04:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [216.239.56.242] (helo=mproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cdk0i-0003ur-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:48:44 -0500 Original-Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w67so178071cwb for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:48:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Iv9gvEw26HAP1vQz3mnB4xne2vxm02Qle7k4Cc3jXEOue5dgONsqfPMHYX2dbDNi2WJWkd3vzLmvxSqTHdh9JHojKmdC8c22p8Wc20Smx7JElvZG9ut2Sp+owUL8hy/dL+ar5/Cp2yS2FbDNgy/u/2zGbpEpNJmdeyfOPBxmcfc= Original-Received: by 10.11.117.59 with SMTP id p59mr1228100cwc; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:48:43 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.11.117.51 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:48:43 -0800 (PST) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:31059 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17438 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31059 On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 02:22:14 +0000 (UTC), Robert J. Chassell wrote: > Evidentally, I have not been clear. Nothing in this thread that I > said should have suggested that interest from independent publishers > drives the use of the GFDL with regard to the elisp reference manual. > > Instead, I have tried to say that the goal is to persuade others to > choose the GFDL over a `Creative Commons license with a commercial > restriction' or similar license. The GFDL is better. If using the GFDL on the emacs manual is as a persuasive example rather than to benefit the emacs project directly with the restrictions of the GFDL, why wouldn't licensing it both under the GPL and as GFDL serve the same purpose? That'd make it clear to organizations that the GFDL is not the same as GPL, plus allow emacs itself as a free project tightly coupled to the manual, to benefit. (To give credit, David Kastrup's point on the tight couplings between a GPLed project and the GFDLed project is spot on, I think).