From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused. Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:37:26 +0300 Message-ID: <83zlcwqp89.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20090528122927.GA2175@muc.de> <87fxepf9s8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528201529.GA4605@muc.de> <87bppdx8c0.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528230359.GA1474@muc.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243586258 4291 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2009 08:37:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:37:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 10:37:34 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9xan-0006ti-GW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 10:37:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37257 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9xam-0006oJ-Qy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:37:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9xah-0006ng-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:37:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9xaf-0006nM-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:37:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48639 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9xaf-0006nH-MA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il ([84.95.2.13]:16926) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9xae-00009I-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 04:37:25 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KKE00D00D32C300@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:37:23 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.115.215]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KKE00HXDDAAM060@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:37:23 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111183 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:55:51 -0400 > Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I think the answer has got to be along the following lines: "The region > > is called @dfn{active} when Emacs marks it internally as the portion of > > buffer which any of a certain set of commands is to work on, when > > otherwise the command would use the whole buffer, or a single word, or > > some other portion of buffer. When the region is active, the mark is > > also said to be @dfn{active}." - essentially the (iii) from my previous > > email. Sorry for the poor wording - it's late and I'm tired. > > I would find this fairly confusing So would I. If you read this text carefully, it actually says something like "the region is active when Emacs marks it as active." That's hardly a definition of what "active" is.