From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unwarranted invocation of starttls Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:41:39 +0200 Message-ID: <83zke4po98.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83aa67s5zo.fsf@gnu.org> <834nwfs0k2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325619710 27192 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2012 19:41:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 19:41:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 03 20:41:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAEz-0008RX-CV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:41:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54703 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAEy-0002J2-Lz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:41:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51823) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAEw-0002Ic-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:41:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAEs-0007tY-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:39783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiAEs-0007tA-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 14:41:38 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LX800J00MJ9FD00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:41:35 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.18.76]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LX800J87MP98D50@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 21:41:35 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147231 Archived-At: > From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 19:57:35 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> What was the message exactly? > > > > Opening STARTTLS connection to `MY-SERVER-NAME:25' > > Ah, right, that's definitely from starttls.el. This means that 1) your > SMTP server has announced that it offers STARTTLS, and 2) > `open-network-stream' has determined that don't have built-in TLS > support, and 3) that it thinks that you do have external TLS support of > some kind. > > > I think the reason is that installing GnuTLS binaries installs > > gnutls-cli executable on PATH. At least, if I remove all the > > executables and leave only the shared libraries, the problem goes > > away. > > `starttls-available-p' probably returned non-nil for you, I guess? It > would be interesting to find out why it didn't work, then. Could you > put the gnutls-cli program back into your path and edebug through > `starttls-open-stream-gnutls' (I think) to see what goes wrong? Does TLS work on Windows with gnutls-cli.exe? I though it didn't, because that mode of operation depended on signals that Windows doesn't support. That's why we switched to linking against libgnutls, no? Or am I confused?