From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:31:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83zjr4hrcg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <523FD9B2.9030304@online.de> <834n9cj9s3.fsf@gnu.org> <523FEE11.3050703@online.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379925086 32639 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 08:31:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:31:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 10:31:28 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO1YD-0003BD-EQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:31:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO1YC-00007t-W7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54977) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO1Y5-00006j-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:31:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO1Xy-0001vQ-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:31:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:36458) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO1Xx-0001vH-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTK00900KXBRP00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:31:00 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTK0091HKZNOB20@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:31:00 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <523FEE11.3050703@online.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163570 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:30:25 +0200 > From: Andreas R=C3=B6hler > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > At the very first screen C-v is presented. > Nowadays keyboards commonly have an own key for it, no need to both= er beginners with this. > While later, certainly, it's preferable. That's exactly what the tutorial does. PageUp and PageDown are mentioned a few lines below. You just need to read what it says, not only the parts that help you make your point. > Next screen tells about C-p, C-n It tells about arrow keys before it tells about C-n and C-p.