From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:43:35 +0300 Message-ID: <83zjd07ce0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413179052 23064 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 05:44:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mikegerwitz@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 07:44:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdYQL-00086M-BQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 07:44:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60289 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdYQK-0004gF-VD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:44:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33955) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdYQD-0004fs-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:43:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdYQ8-0002Vw-UF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:43:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:53463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdYQ4-0002Vb-0N; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 01:43:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NDD00700B6O2P00@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:38:29 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NDD0029VBO52R60@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 08:38:29 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175311 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:11 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: dak@gnu.org, mikegerwitz@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, > dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org > > > And, of course, when you invoke a program locally, there's usually no > > protocol at all involved. > > > > Likewise, we need to look at some real cases. > > Not sure what you mean by that. M-! and M-| is what I had in mind. > > This may be a big miscommunication. I think the people who want > strict encoding are talking about network communication using > open-network-stream. That distinction is quite blurred in latest Emacs versions. E.g., shell-command-to-string might call a process on a remote host and communicate with it via open-network-stream or some such. There are several interactive commands already that use this feature.