From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:37:20 +0200 Message-ID: <83zjb1ymwv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83mw722eit.fsf@gnu.org> <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <85vblpjfgx.fsf@stephe-leake.org> <20141206114147.GG19750@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417869470 3026 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 12:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 12:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 13:37:41 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEcH-0002vg-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:37:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54239 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEcG-0000mT-Qp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:37:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32949) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEc8-0000mJ-Fo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:37:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEbz-0006zM-AJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:37:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:43416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxEbz-0006y8-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 07:37:23 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG500300UMJY500@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:34:58 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG500MVXUYAQF50@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:34:58 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20141206114147.GG19750@thyrsus.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179171 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 06:41:47 -0500 > From: "Eric S. Raymond" > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > The barrier to the documentation change is when people see senior devs > > > pointing to etc/CONTRIBUTE as a fine place for dev documentation and > > > think "Oh, so the project thinks that's okay? They point to that as a > > > solution, rather than as a problem? I guess I'm in the wrong place." > > > > I have not seen anyone (other than you) state this. > > Potential developers look at things like this and they see a project > that has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since before 1996. > > No one thing like this is a dealbreaker for any single person. It's > the accumulation of such details that acts as a KEEP OUT sign. Slogans. No real data to support that.