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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: sbaugh@catern.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:42:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zip1rfhk.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87popypr3s.fsf@earth.catern.com> (sbaugh@catern.com)

> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:02:15 -0400
> 
> I do think it's best to use the same mechanism (process-file) that is
> used to support remote access.
> 
> Really, remote access is very similar to entering a different local
> environment. They're different contexts in which to execute
> commands.
> 
> And consider: Much of the work in determining what is sensible to
> execute in the default context, and what is sensible to execute in the
> remote/custom context, has already been done for remote access. ispell
> runs the spell-checker in the default context; M-x compile runs the
> compile in the custom context; and so on. I think this solves the issues
> Eli brought up in another mail.

It may seem to you that remote access is similar to a different
environment, but in fact they are very different.  Environment is not
a property of a file name, it is a property of a project.  Moreover,
past attempts I know about to use file handlers for processing local
files turned out to have subtle misfeatures.  Even more importantly,
the _conceptual_ difference is huge, and it's bound to bite us in the
long run, because people who work on the file-name handlers has the
remote-access concept on their mind, and will write code that caters
to those use cases, so we will sooner or later end up with code that
subtly breaks in the environment use cases.

So I'm very much opposed to using file-name handlers for supporting
environments.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-28 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-14 21:36 Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.) sbaugh
2016-07-15 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-17 22:41   ` sbaugh
2016-07-18 10:15     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-07-18 14:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-18 19:13       ` sbaugh
2016-07-19 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24  3:35         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24  8:25           ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:08             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-21  0:32       ` sbaugh
2016-07-22 20:19         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-23  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24  3:26             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24  8:25               ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 14:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 17:45                   ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 17:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 19:05                       ` Spencer Baugh
2016-07-24 19:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  4:50                           ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28  0:47                               ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25  2:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  5:01                     ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  7:07                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 12:49                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:03                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 13:06                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:41                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-28  0:02                         ` sbaugh
2016-07-28  9:34                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-28 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-07-29 17:59                             ` sbaugh
2016-07-29 18:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 19:20                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30  6:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 14:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 15:56                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 20:57                                 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30  7:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 13:30                                     ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 16:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 11:24                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-29 18:42                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-29 19:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26  2:36                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 14:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  0:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 17:00                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26  2:08                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-26  3:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 10:45                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-26 12:46                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 14:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-28 10:01 Spencer Baugh
     [not found] <87shuuvzz6.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id>
2016-07-28 10:08 ` Michael Albinus

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