From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Can we go GTK-only? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:22:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83zilpro1f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24db2975-17ca-ad01-20c8-df12071fa89a@dancol.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477635820 7245 195.159.176.226 (28 Oct 2016 06:23:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 06:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 28 08:23:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c00Ze-0000hN-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:23:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46926 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c00Zh-00017a-Eq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:23:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59216) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c00YG-0000dY-9o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:22:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c00YB-0007UQ-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44358) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c00YB-0007UH-BH; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3635 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c00YA-0001AP-O4; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:21:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <24db2975-17ca-ad01-20c8-df12071fa89a@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:54:39 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208914 Archived-At: > From: Daniel Colascione > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:54:39 -0700 > > As a stepping stone, we should at least remove support for the > no-toolkit, Motif, and Athena configurations. (Lucid I can understand.) I would object to removing the no-toolkit code, because it can be used to quickly and simply adapt Emacs to any new toolkit. I don't know how wide Motif and Athena are used; IMO we shouldn't delete them if they are still in use. E.g., are the major Linux distros still offering such packages? It's okay to make GTK a separate back-end, especially if that makes maintenance easier (and I agree that it most probably will). But I'd like to warn people here to put too much trust into GTK as our only terminal back-end, because, like any Free Software package, it can easily stagnate and die at some point. Having Emacs build-able with alternative toolkits makes us more future-proof, and also prevents us from the danger of writing low-level code that assumes only GTK is used.