From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 18:34:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83zhnue31s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru> <87imwhmmt8.fsf@gmail.com> <87y347g1l3.fsf@iotcl.com> <9ac21e82-8e47-f9b5-f88d-23c0c56946d1@yandex.ru> <87pnpc1lby.fsf@iotcl.com> <83zhoezdqc.fsf@gnu.org> <87imuivfcr.fsf@iotcl.com> <83k1eyfxls.fsf@gnu.org> <3b8e2195-07c0-a240-6164-8d34bcca344f@yandex.ru> <83ftpmfp0y.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1eywgor.fsf@telefonica.net> <837eayfkoa.fsf@gnu.org> <87d0kqwea4.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="57253"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 10 17:55:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hP7rt-000Ekc-RW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 17:55:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45548 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP7rs-00061r-OK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 11:55:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP7YE-0005AF-TB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 May 2019 11:35:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hP7YE-0003sV-Cg; Fri, 10 May 2019 11:35:10 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1727 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hP7Y4-0007ze-MV; Fri, 10 May 2019 11:35:09 -0400 In-reply-to: <87d0kqwea4.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Fri, 10 May 2019 16:54:43 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:236388 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 16:54:43 +0200 > > >> For one-off or occasional contributors, debbugs is a pig. > > > > There's no reason for one-off contributors to retitle a bug report. > > About the same reasons as for anybody else. Exactly. IOW: none at all. > Anyways, my gripes about debbugs are not limited to the command system. > Maybe 30 years ago it looked like an improvement, but for the last 20 > years it can hardly qualify as a pile of hacks shoehorning a primitive > issue tracker on top of a mailing list. > > The fact that you can't even subscribe to a bug# is appalling. We should invest more energy in finding better systems and adapting them to our needs, and less in arguing how bad debbugs is. That's why I posted my comments on GitLab. I hope someone will find ways of overcoming those issues, or maybe will find a system that has fewer issues and is better suited to how we work and want to work.