From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:31:07 +0300 Message-ID: <83zhbcg6s4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <83lfmxgt6c.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="110854"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ndame@protonmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 16:33:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jOj6w-000SjU-Bd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:33:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50950 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOj6v-0005g2-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:33:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOj4f-0004FC-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39413) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jOj4e-0008JM-RM; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1092 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jOj4W-000796-QA; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:31:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:17:31 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247015 Archived-At: > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ndame@protonmail.com > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:17:31 +0300 > > On 15.04.2020 09:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I think if we had the code for making the corners round, we'd use it > > more or less unconditionally. But we don't have such code, AFAIK, so > > patches to add such capabilities to Emacs are most welcome. > > I think the difficulty here is to look "contemporary" and yet fit every > platform Emacs is run on. Button widgets look different on each. Even > between GUI toolkits. And change between releases. There are only 2 variants: native buttons (provided by some toolkit) or the ones we draw ourselves. And there's no requirement that they all look the same, I think: they should have the look-and-feel of the toolkit being used. > The other option, of course, is to look both modern and unique, but it's > a harder proposition, especially without a graphical designer on the > team. And this stuff gets outdated quickly. I think "modern and unique" is a contradiction of terms nowadays ;-)