From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 18:20:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83zh5zj7sn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87wo15adtj.fsf@rabkins.net> <87tuw8kirh.fsf@localhost> <8dbb5170-f7a7-4541-bd61-a007dbd4f8ff@default> <87r1rckf2z.fsf@localhost> <346e46b7-a431-449d-b7cb-b3be65537d70@default> <87d02vk2ee.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18088"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, rms@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, yoni@rabkins.net, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 17:21:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1up-0004Ww-H1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:21:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57746 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1uo-0008Gh-Ip for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1u0-0006ec-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1u0-0004vg-3V; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4828 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kG1tp-0002BF-AD; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 11:20:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 07:35:37 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254883 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 07:35:37 -0700 > Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Ihor Radchenko writes: > > > Would it make sense to re-evaluate Xah Lee's suggestions about menu? > > http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/modernization_menu.html > > These proposals look relevant to me, I think we should examine them in > more detail. Beware: they are outdated (more than 10 years old, and many items in our menus were changed since then). More importantly, Xah is known to be violently anti-FSF/GNU, and even anti-RMS, let alone full of NIH tendencies. His recommendations are rarely provided with any rationale except "the current situation is silly/stupid", and should therefore be taken with a grain of salt. That said, it is of course okay to consider the ideas that make sense, but not just "because Xah said so". > Could you submit that as a new bug report? Separate bug reports for each item or a group of related items, please. Let's not have one bug report about dozens of menu items unrelated to each other.