From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Simple isearch concerns Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 15:48:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83zgy77hep.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20210403001539.x4rb55dvh46rmhb3.ref@Ergus> <20210403001539.x4rb55dvh46rmhb3@Ergus> <878s5wmsjp.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87mtubz4ls.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8735w22s9b.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <3ec7e2e58a3733a48ae9@heytings.org> <878s5tc0rn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <3ec7e2e58a49d4f0ec99@heytings.org> <878s5t9p1i.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <9ff81b52fad2911cc740@heytings.org> <87im4w1tgw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <9ff81b52fa878cb35a86@heytings.org> <87pmz4zgn5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83eefk802u.fsf@gnu.org> <871rbjdea4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8335vz91en.fsf@gnu.org> <940751cee594ef1cf8a4@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26298"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 09 14:49:49 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lUqa4-0006jq-QM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 14:49:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37404 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUqa3-0001qm-SM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUqZ7-0001LQ-9f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lUqZ5-000799-Mo; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:48:47 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4849 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lUqZ5-00019s-2P; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 08:48:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <940751cee594ef1cf8a4@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:48:36 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267714 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2021 11:48:36 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: Juri Linkov , spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >>>> isearch-beginning-of-buffer changes the direction to 'forward' > >>>> because it makes no sense to keep it 'backward' - there are no > >>>> matches before the first match. > >>> > >>> Are you excluding the wrapped-isearch use case? > >> > >> I replied to Gregory about this use case that it's less useful than to > >> get ready to go forward with the next C-s. > > > > That might be your personal opinion, but it doesn't have to be everyone > > else's. > > > > I don't understand what the point is here. The issue is whether we need to change the direction as a side effect of isearch-beginning-of-buffer. From my POV, this is unexpected. The direction should stay what it was before. > If you do not change the search direction after moving to BOB, the result > is not what you would expect. For example, after C-r: > > - with isearch-wrap-pause t, M-< tells you "failing I-search backward" > even if there are in fact occurrences of the search string between point > and BOB, and a second M-< will jump to the last occurrence in the buffer; > > - with isearch-wrap-pause 'no, M-< jumps immediate to the last occurrence > in the buffer. Why do you think this is not what the user will expect?