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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] When deleting in bookmark menu, prompt for confirmation.
Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 20:41:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zgxb67g2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87im3z3f8f.fsf@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Mon, 03 May 2021 12:21:36 -0500)

> From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 12:21:36 -0500
> 
> >That's fair enough.  To me, the danger of accidentally deleting a
> >bookmarks still seems more important.  On the one hand, we have
> >lived with that for a long time, OTOH that is no reason not to try
> >to do better.
> 
> I agree with Stefan's reasoning here.
> 
> Backward compatibility is a big deal in an API, but it's a much 
> smaller deal in an interactive interface behavior.  Yes, users 
> will be prompted in a place where they weren't prompted before, 
> but the prompt is self-explanatory, and the old behavior was 
> needlessly dangerous -- it's easy to type "x" accidentally and 
> lose bookmarks marked for deletion before one had finalized the 
> list.

Noted.  But we are not going to change the default behavior in
incompatible ways on my watch, sorry.

> If someone had suggested this when I was first implementing the 
> Bookmark Menu, I think I would have incorporated the suggestion 
> then and just had this behavior from the beginning.

That ship has sailed; we cannot change the past.  The sheer amount of
time that the current behavior was the default gives weight to it that
cannot be countermanded by reasoning.

> The fact that it's a change in interactive behavior now is minor
> compared to the benefit.

I understand that this is your opinion, but I've heard enough
complaints from veteran users about annoying behavior changes forced
upon them (and had my own share of such annoyances) that I'm firmly
against making such changes opt-out.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-03 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-03  3:43 [PATCH] When deleting in bookmark menu, prompt for confirmation Karl Fogel
2021-05-03  9:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-03 12:48   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-03 13:02     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-04  7:53     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-04 16:29       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-03 11:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-03 12:47   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-03 13:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-03 15:43       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-03 16:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-03 17:21         ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-03 17:41           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-05-03 18:28             ` Jim Porter
2021-05-03 18:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-03 19:01                 ` Jim Porter
2021-05-03 20:52             ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-05  5:24             ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-05  8:11               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-05 19:37                 ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-05 20:06                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-05 21:38                     ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-05 23:17                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-05 23:25                         ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-06  6:52                         ` Matthias Meulien
2021-05-06 15:29                           ` Drew Adams
2021-05-08 20:46                             ` Matthias Meulien
2021-05-09  8:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-09 18:37                                 ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-09 18:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-25  5:38                                     ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-25 12:09                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-25 20:24                                         ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-26 11:59                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-26 19:33                                             ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-07 17:42                           ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-07 22:24                             ` Drew Adams
2021-05-08  6:13                               ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-06  8:49                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-06 13:30                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-07  8:40                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-07 12:55                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-09  9:55                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-09 15:04                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-05-09 18:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-10  8:30                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-05-07 17:40                     ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-05 11:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-05-05 21:43                 ` Karl Fogel
2021-05-03 17:43           ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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