From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: djcb@djcbsoftware.nl, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 15:40:17 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zgfwa1u6.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mtbweaxj.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:10:16 +0800)
> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 20:10:16 +0800
>
> > There have been grumblings about scenarios that GTK doesn't implement
> > correctly or at all, and there were some big warning for that (there
> > still may be). It seems we now emacs is adding a new such scenario
> > (XInput2), while the GTK developers have lost some interest in X11 -- it
> > seems we should just not enable XInput2 in that case.
>
> It seems to me that the same crowd asking for various "modern" GTK
> features also want features like pixel-scroll-precision-mode and monitor
> refresh synchronization, which cause crashes or don't work on GTK. We
> are then blamed for the feature not working there as a result of bugs or
> misdesigns in GTK.
>
> In any case, there is no excuse for GTK to have buggy XInput 2 support,
> considering that it used to be something that we did not support,
> requiring various workarounds to explictly disable in GTK, and is
> mentioned in the first few paragraphs of the GTK+ 2 to 3 migration
> guidelines.
What is your opinion on defaulting the GTK build to be without
XInput2? Since that option causes crashes, it sounds to me like a
good compromise to leave the GTK build (by default) without the
XInput2 niceties, providing an opt-in configure-time switch to use
XInput2. This will allow people who don't mind an occasional crash,
or can avoid that procedurally, to have the XInput2 features, while at
the same time protecting the innocent.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-22 12:40 UTC|newest]
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2022-08-21 11:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 11:44 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 14:06 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22 1:04 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 11:39 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:54 ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-21 16:32 ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 16:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:50 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:58 ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22 1:13 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 4:32 ` tomas
2022-08-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 3:58 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 4:51 ` tomas
2022-08-21 16:51 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-21 17:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 17:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-22 1:15 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 2:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 4:02 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 4:18 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:15 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24 8:57 ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-24 10:43 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 6:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25 6:52 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25 6:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25 8:28 ` xdisp.c in C++ (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 9:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 3:44 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 4:03 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 12:30 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 13:01 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-22 1:10 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:51 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22 1:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 6:47 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22 1:11 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 12:41 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-23 13:00 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 12:00 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-21 12:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:34 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:59 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:16 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:20 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 1:07 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-21 19:27 ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22 3:10 ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22 5:43 ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22 7:10 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22 7:56 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:47 ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 15:28 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-22 5:21 ` Jean Louis
2022-08-22 6:01 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 6:48 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22 7:55 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 8:32 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22 9:44 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 23:19 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-23 0:57 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 4:44 ` Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] tomas
2022-08-23 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:02 ` tomas
2022-08-23 12:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:48 ` tomas
2022-08-23 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 14:10 ` tomas
2022-08-23 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:38 ` Yuri Khan
2022-08-23 16:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 4:23 ` tomas
2022-08-24 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:31 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24 4:24 ` tomas
2022-08-22 9:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-22 12:10 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 12:59 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 0:42 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 2:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 3:04 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 17:52 ` Yilkal Argaw
2022-08-23 18:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 1:50 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-08-22 13:03 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23 0:45 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 10:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 0:46 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 15:10 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-23 6:34 ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-23 8:58 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 4:04 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24 4:27 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:30 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:41 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:47 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 14:01 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 7:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 8:54 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 9:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 9:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 14:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 14:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:14 ` Alternative build systems (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:36 ` Alternative build systems Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 1:48 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:35 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Andrea Corallo
2022-08-24 12:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 13:00 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-24 13:42 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 10:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 12:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-25 12:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 12:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-25 12:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:16 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 6:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:51 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 17:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 10:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 10:46 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 10:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:15 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:36 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25 3:33 ` Changing the make setup for Emacs Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 22:42 ` change the Subject line (was: Changing the make setup for Emacs) andrés ramírez
2022-08-21 13:36 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:43 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:04 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:18 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22 1:18 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 10:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 11:46 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 11:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 12:14 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 13:13 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 0:50 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 0:47 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 2:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 3:05 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 3:51 ` Jean Louis
2022-08-23 5:14 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:34 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 3:53 ` Jean Louis
2022-08-21 14:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-21 14:08 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 1:09 ` Po Lu
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2022-08-25 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
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2022-08-24 4:20 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 4:34 ` tomas
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2022-08-24 4:25 ` Tim Cross
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2022-08-24 7:52 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24 4:58 ` Po Lu
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2022-09-04 3:01 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28 7:45 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-21 14:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-21 14:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 7:05 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22 7:51 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
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2022-08-23 12:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:29 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:59 ` Po Lu
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2022-08-23 15:18 ` Visuwesh
2022-08-23 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:41 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 1:45 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 3:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 3:41 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 23:25 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24 4:25 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 1:36 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 2:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 3:23 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 3:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24 4:18 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 8:52 ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-26 3:36 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26 4:34 ` Po Lu
2022-09-04 3:01 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-04 5:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-05 8:34 ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-05 14:12 ` Po Lu
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