From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 55f46cc77c: Decrease use of the word "Emacsen" in docs Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 20:50:06 +0300 Message-ID: <83zgefa0xd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838rlzbme1.fsf@gnu.org> <835yh3birw.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24130"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 01 19:51:36 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oegeF-00067i-Dm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 19:51:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48918 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oegeE-000309-HL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oegcz-0001tf-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:50:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oegcy-0001Kp-VD; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:50:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PiqAq6y9x6/yaHg2o9dZoNA1g3XQ6Iiv8ROBHiYYl7c=; b=rTJ3HnWKaHh7 cKvoQvio9wmf8GzSsadaR4mcjb17i3C8cg0Yv6pvwImvYMt3jHsvxNWP5kiIHV3BwKOsp2VyuntJ8 0wdL9wpjp+8kgCent9IIH7wd+GatCy1Mnm9IqTqFtbgagTNXovlXrwZO2uTXkH+bV+I5MaZnyenLv 3fAcCqUiGHyQwZVhf0X0Tx4RCkhuC+rMQLNLMASqCKfiwmOHGUd/PNcQ+mfIvF3jz772c0I4hIW53 tXRLMYanZYjIrLjMZIiToMAOK1SWjoSnYOIwdSxIDmb6S54YaAyR7fN4y9HBBqENMNKiavabj+W4j nzQBuqDwa7TERyo+Rxn1dw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2905 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oegcy-0002Wb-IE; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:50:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 1 Oct 2022 19:26:44 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296557 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 19:26:44 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > This is too much. You are removing words we used for decades in Emacs > > development for no good reason. You think they are "just jargony and > > unhelpful", but for me and others this part of our culture and our > > history of involvement in the Emacs development. We treasure that > > history. Right now, I feel like a chunk of my personal history has > > been rewritten. > > I think the change clarifies the documentation I don't see how it could do that. > > There still are "other Emacsen" out there, even though most of them > > are all but moribund nowadays. But even if they were completely dead, > > the word doesn't have to be removed. It does no harm by just being > > there. > > Well, it does cause confusion. AFAIK, none of the other Emacsen will > work with semantic, TRAMP, or any of the other Lisp packages where I > removed that term. Maybe XEmacs will work with some of them still, > but that's kind of besides the point these days. For better or for > worse, in the context of these packages, there is exactly one Emacs > implementation that is relevant. The text is careful enough to not imply that every flavor is capable of each feature. I don't see why we would need to remove those words.