From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 20:31:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83zgcuk8pb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org-NGltIw7----9> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25131"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 19:31:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHlR-0006JX-Gv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:31:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHl4-0004ho-TM; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:31:06 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHl3-0004gH-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:31:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHl3-00076g-Hs; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:31:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/D2FbuNOfAOFgEQIRC0EbB24UWMUjiPB8ZEqNc9X/xI=; b=rETLu82oXDVz ag4LmghvFHG3HCX2sW6n7DoN0Ax5eT28Uy+Rc+wu41NKpoYHqhlObR0/wW17/1BitzPu2f9Uz6mBa K2yQuEXGiy443V+eYwFkDie2bqxFX8jfqchsv8+J3RvA/4JR7n8/BjVjxo/kOPp6fAooIGo/SZ5oX STIAlSRdaXH6wgl5E5kV5jCP6quYmGRLUU01fLJsOc3dX0zWNIWs6nJo+rFLPjVSCq4i7QNdWTEL4 MlP0i7IWCXgafVLFYGo7sP0vwQHAjQiGhkMIsVVXcvhvyCVSAMawgPRFsl3pb+cSiKAvy1a6kkpAF iP2ZQfrnJ9EyfXv3kl7wUg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouHl2-0003mG-PJ; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 13:31:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299745 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 19:12:03 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Nov 13, 2022, 16:48 by eliz@gnu.org: > > > If you have read this discussion, you've seen that the package's > > author thinks it's best to move use-package into core, and describes > > the package as stable without any need for significant development. > > So I think your comments are based on some misunderstanding. > > > > How integrated is it with custom, package, etc? Not well enough to be > considered complete IMO. If something in it turns out to be incomplete, we will fix it. > My understanding is that you will make it yet another member of the > orphanage lisp/ when it could function perfectly from ELPA. The packages in lisp/ aren't orphans, just look at the Git logs. (How can you seriously consider the Lisp packages in core "frozen" when we average 5000 commits a year for the past ten years?? Where do all those commits go, in your opinion?)