From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 b44a7ff85dc: Allow 'icon-title-format' to have the value t Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 17:26:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83zg97rqdg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <167661970773.22310.13511166994278322415@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230217074148.2E130C1391A@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bklooy1e.fsf@telefonica.net> <83pma3tdvo.fsf@gnu.org> <877cwboydd.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38195"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 21 16:27:49 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUYW-0009kb-Ic for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:27:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUXT-00008O-K6; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:26:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUXR-000085-98 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:26:41 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUXQ-0008JY-51; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:26:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=C2X3q59B1qddxCFThvScsiQWI3ATHLR22AE9vwKoe6g=; b=RlA9v97PtyjpU+3IbeMF 8OEHh3fwftoAdjSlsDP2L0rvzvVfb3mX/mRfUn5mqTvPFJ4L7CCcfyttRkpWx65Mmc8LHnEbL0fOJ yXalnWDfLHuyjarUo32K5ExOwaKWONioqcoI/Poqip+jkfzR45Ae8ygSmHZVokXtRA8AVU0zFq9FI drJU9Ko54yauInOj3fNJYD+Hn60XoE/8yrpXaJ7KxiiCknss/suAfwcLjty4rR+BDtv72gtCFPiW6 7uNgdRZX4sgnXjj5+en3RHEPCHwo1DgBamUzCkife3DHDMz0RrnEkDX6J6QGX7eakklsVPDlq4coT 7yea+vCKiwYvVg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pUUXP-0004GH-Jr; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 10:26:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <877cwboydd.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:02:22 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303654 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 16:02:22 +0100 > > What about the other part on my message? You mean, this part: > A reason for keeping icon-title-format in sync with frame-title-format > is for not having to also set icon-title-format whenever > frame-title-format is set (because most users will want to retain the > title of a frame when it is iconified.) ? If that's what users want, how did they do it before this change? > The current explanation for having `t' in icon-frame-title should be > removed. It was the motivation for the change, AFAIU, and I'm not at all sure KDE is the only environment where the problem happens. If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both formats to two identical strings. The only reason to force Emacs to use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that those desktops misbehave. So I don't see why we should remove the explanation. > OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective > in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as > when he moves to another virtual desktop. Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here.