From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-29 9b775ddc057 1/2: ; * etc/EGLOT-NEWS: Fix wording of last change.
Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 13:53:03 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zg6hg29c.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <715cdac6-83f6-6907-2ff8-3b33381f3487@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 6 May 2023 13:46:26 +0300)
> Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:46:26 +0300
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
>
> On 06/05/2023 13:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:14:32 +0300
> >> From: Dmitry Gutov<dmitry@gutov.dev>
> >>
> >> On 06/05/2023 09:44, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >>> +using the more general command 'package-install', which by default
> >>> +will not upgrade "built-in" packages, those that come with Emacs.
> >> Friendly reminder: while 'M-x package-install' does not upgrade
> >> "built-in" packages "by default", it doesn't upgrade any other packages
> >> at all, ever.
> > Really? so what does package-install do?
>
> 'M-x package-install' installs a package if it's not already installed.
>
> >> I'd hate to create an impression in some users that 'package-install' is
> >> a suitable instrument to upgrade packages.
> > It isn't? then what is it for?
>
> See above.
>
> It also _can_ install a newer version of the package if the first
> argument is of type 'package-desc', but that's basically an internal
> overload, not something that can be user interactively, or easily in the
> init script. BTW, the value of package-install-upgrade-built-in has no
> effect on that "overload".
I'm surprised, to say the least. To recap:
. the entire discussion of bug#62720, of which this is fallout, was
about allowing package-install to upgrade Eglot, and according to
João, that's what package-install did before Emacs 29. Was this
all based on a mistake? if so, why no one has said so in all that
long argument??
. the text I changed also talks about package-install, and yet you
didn't object to it, why?
So please forgive me if I don't quite believe my eyes when I read your
messages in this matter.
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2023-05-06 10:14 ` emacs-29 9b775ddc057 1/2: ; * etc/EGLOT-NEWS: Fix wording of last change Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 10:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 10:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-05-06 13:03 ` João Távora
2023-05-06 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 13:48 ` João Távora
2023-05-06 14:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 15:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 15:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 18:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 7:43 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 19:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 20:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 20:52 ` João Távora
2023-05-07 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 8:46 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 9:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 17:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 19:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 19:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-08 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 13:34 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-08 13:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 6:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 11:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 14:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 15:02 ` Ruijie Yu via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-11 7:29 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 22:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-11 7:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-11 9:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-11 10:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 6:43 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-08 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 21:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-12 12:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 9:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-07 10:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 16:58 ` João Távora
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