From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 21:36:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83zg07kguj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> <83edhkmfax.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5s8kocd.fsf@gnu.org> <877cnblxdo.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23905"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 20:37:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvMHI-0005rZ-Be for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 20:37:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvMGk-000556-1n; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:36:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvMGi-00052i-9y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvMGh-0002ds-CZ; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:36:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BWlm2vGDrOhNIudmwPVkXHJv5mgYnPKfSqQVRYUTSDU=; b=hQC8/xkwboq9 fixeA/dpLM+rSglwtcTXSxdExQGJzX0Nd1pOC1PVOZGFAyknycv8RaRc4pQaF7OURbzIZJO9iDzaU 7JtN29z+0993ak+ydpK+80c8fhULZrOHQ+MLrPZqpfZAB44bIkxGZnWhtKnJIwa4m70tzYIgVd/PJ OMBzhHq1e2TZcTtVoD2tEnCpmgBXd1E0Yh6G87VaU8dG8VckRxcyh6cz+0+qp38f9C8gW6lg9OZk+ hAgAQ38RYI7GtVUCFOdVZ8JqMHPvXHzdfCWNfZk7jVYQuQmV5ZZljK1ktRB/yT7lzpRmH5LXOwoNG kG4ZRvKx063nxhGXvPmHfA==; In-Reply-To: <877cnblxdo.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:54:11 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311817 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 19:54:11 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > So let me ask, what is the special attention to cl-lib? For the gazillionth time: it isn't! Not as far as preloading it is considered. > To me it looks like - not saying it is like that - ideology, if you > don't like CL maybe you see cl-lib like some infiltration from CL? > And for this reason don't like it? Well, if so, sorry to say guys, > but you lost the battle then! We are not getting rid of this > infiltration. Not relevant to the issue of loading cl-lib.