From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 18:03:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83zfzkuvj6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0kwgvq1.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33360"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 17:04:25 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qTA-0008SV-Uw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 17:04:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qSh-0002Vv-LA; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:03:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qSg-0002VY-MU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:03:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1qSd-0006X4-DZ; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:03:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=N9UG8Uce7GHC1MwmUaCZ3VluChIt2qTc3FLWRc93tFc=; b=L/bksKahixjf agrkKqHZWsAjEkNwtKbLY2ADiv0WLRO1WV138PzbPT4i74WF2vx82ub/UIGE6QpkXVgI3n63tEPJ2 1YarBWzdyioSyHTDp+uXPY4oJVSHh3ZopxluwrhqdsNxeluWMJFUddmC5VEuJQtAUyFxnwv6Gm9tA JRZXRWqqVuo6DEC44hPN57GscmcNfIZpNFqVkjKnPX+CwP/lh9Xi5WayAd4psA6p6+wzK7nY8kuCY k19gokNpNr4RNIriX5tgd8YJoKTcnJuwqEOGPjEekhziokBnTBk1NMWQ0ObInToWYmexFvZb7QYUo C4lT1AHs6U9QL5U1Mg67GQ==; In-Reply-To: <87r0kwgvq1.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:23:18 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312588 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 16:23:18 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > We use keyword arguments when there are many of them, or > > when a few of them are obscure and rarely used. From where > > I stand, the dispute is not about banishing then -- that > > will not happen -- the dispute is about how _much_ to > > use them. > > But doesn't that mean there has to be rules for every > individual library? And what kind of rule, for example for > cl-lib? "You are allowed to use it - but not too much"? > How are you going to formulate and enforce such rules? It's a judgment call, to be made when reviewing patches. Like many other similar issues. Not everything could or should be codified.