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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org,
	vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org,
	help-texinfo@gnu.org
Subject: Re: @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 14:06:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zfxism27.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=jduD-0d+GaRifq6TZY6kvg6rQC+CMtWLTTW32C_1MSA@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 6 Jan 2024 03:57:24 -0800)

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 03:57:24 -0800
> Cc: vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, 
> 	help-texinfo@gnu.org
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> If that’s the case, what about using “Translated manuals” for now,
> >> since the number of translated manuals is very low?
> >
> > I'd say the other way around: as long as we have very few
> > translations, keeping them together with the English version is
> > better.
> 
> I'm concerned that they'd get in the way, even if there are only few of
> them.

How can a couple of manuals get in the way?  I think they will be
hardly even noticed.

> How about using something like `Info-streamline-headings' for this:
> 
> - Put manuals under "Translated manuals" for English locales.
> 
> - Move those relevant to the current locale to "Emacs".
> 
> I'd probably take it a step further and completely hide translations (by
> default at least) outside of relevant locales.  We already do basically
> that for the tutorial.

We could do something like that, indeed, but I tend to think this is a
matter of user preferences rather than the locale.  Why would we
assume that only users running in a French locale want to be able to
read the French translation?

In any case, my proposal was to do something simple as the first step.
IMO we should postpone more complicated stuff, like user preferences
and locale-dependent magic to later, when the way of handling
translations of the manuals is based on discussions and decisions that
are not private to Emacs.  I feel we are putting the cart ahead of the
horses by designing solutions for this at this time.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-06 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-27 21:14 Where to contribute manual translations ? Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28  7:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 11:41   ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-28 13:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 14:01       ` Po Lu
2023-12-28 15:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  0:42           ` Po Lu
2023-12-29  6:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 15:32       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 16:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 17:04           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-28 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-28 19:43               ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29  2:05               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29  6:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29  9:02                   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-29 10:18                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2023-12-29 11:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-29 12:42                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-12-30  3:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02  3:17                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-02  3:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 12:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-30  3:22         ` Richard Stallman
2023-12-30  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01  0:27             ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01  7:57               ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 12:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 12:56                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-01 16:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:11                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:35                         ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:16                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-02 13:51                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:58                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:38                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 13:30                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-03 13:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 23:14                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  6:34                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:58                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  7:59                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04  8:26                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  9:10                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 10:04                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 12:53                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:35                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-06  5:40                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:38                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 11:52                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:18                                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:02                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:26                                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  4:36                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-04  7:18                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:04                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  1:17                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-08  3:44                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-08  6:13                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-09  2:49                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-09  3:08                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-10  4:24                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-10  4:56                                                             ` free services (was: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Emanuel Berg
2024-01-13  3:51                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-11 21:50                                                           ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-05  7:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04 11:34                                             ` Translation of the Org mode manual (was: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-01-04 12:19                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-02-07  3:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-02-07 23:10                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-02-09  3:51                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-05  4:23                                             ` Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Richard Stallman
2024-01-02 13:25                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 13:27                           ` Translation of manuals Po Lu
2024-01-03  4:50                             ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Stefan Kangas
2024-01-03 13:28                               ` Po Lu
2024-01-04  4:46                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-04  6:13                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  0:35                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  8:20                                       ` Infrastructure proposal (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 13:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 14:07                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 14:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-04  6:36                                   ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Po Lu
2024-01-05  0:34                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-05  2:29                                       ` Po Lu
2024-01-07  6:56                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-07  7:37                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05  2:36                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05  7:11                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2024-01-05 12:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 15:20                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 15:53                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-05 16:10                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-05 16:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  4:40                                               ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06  8:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06  9:37                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 11:38                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 12:25                                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 13:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 13:49                                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:04                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 14:16                                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-06 14:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:41                                                             ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:26                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:31                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  5:38                                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  7:32                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:33                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 12:00                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 19:27                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-10 20:52                                                     ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11  6:09                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 12:48                                                         ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 13:04                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:42                                                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-11 19:14                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-11 19:57                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 13:49                                                         ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 15:08                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 15:56                                                             ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-11 16:09                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:22                                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 19:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 19:46                                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 20:03                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 20:37                                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-11 21:58                                                                           ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-12  8:28                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 18:33                                                           ` Info download service Gavin Smith
2024-01-12 14:42                                                             ` Daniel Cerqueira
2024-01-12 15:08                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-13 20:54                                                               ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-15  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-15 10:35                                                                   ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-18  3:35                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-19 12:21                                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 11:57                                                   ` @dircategory (Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 12:06                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-01-07  6:44                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-06 20:02                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:37                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 19:18                                                   ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-22  8:48                                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-22 21:40                                                       ` Patrice Dumas
2024-01-06 19:03                                                 ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 19:24                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 20:16                                                     ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-06 20:41                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-06 21:17                                                         ` Gavin Smith
2024-01-07  6:31                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12  0:28                                               ` Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12  8:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 12:08                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2024-01-12 12:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-12 17:27                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2024-02-17 14:49                                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-07  4:28                                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 23:06                     ` SES manual French translation (Re: Where to contribute manual translations ?) Stefan Kangas
2024-01-01 23:14                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  0:32                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  1:13                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02  3:14                             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-01-02  3:46                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-02 12:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03  4:12                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-01 15:40                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 16:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 18:54                     ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 19:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-01 23:34                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2024-01-04 11:24               ` Where to contribute manual translations ? Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-11 21:34                 ` Vincent Belaïche
2024-01-01 15:18             ` Richard Stallman

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