From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2024 09:37:03 +0200 Message-ID: <83zfxhr3vk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <831qb45fog.fsf@gnu.org> <50A7AFED-DA37-4212-9ED1-7D906C34B6B2@traductaire-libre.org> <83o7e51bws.fsf@gnu.org> <83mstp11sz.fsf@gnu.org> <91D00B9D-0057-4748-8C83-50E749FE3961@traductaire-libre.org> <835y0b29rk.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0iz3lx0.fsf@yahoo.com> <877ckqa6m5.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734vda9kz.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ttns8qcj.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29044"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 07 08:37:49 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rMNjB-0007M5-4a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:37:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMNik-0008KL-Ig; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 02:37:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMNij-0008K8-0E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 02:37:21 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rMNii-000343-Ew; Sun, 07 Jan 2024 02:37:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4JdIAfLDiadeIsq7f1HxW85HkrMXpvWJFczixsMP7c0=; b=rUABzUmiqH26 HyuJrtbo0MgqifQEr8on/3r2Hsq6XSwNynCd4kXNjuAYet53178ub+92kuKNJ/D2fRWs+s4nZq60T sGVwJ2HfIFN54UXZOv5nRjTe3+4oF0nYMDSMVZozVXyftvkLbtaO45cQHPMNfU6XCR+03D2UQjs+v A4LEyP/pmqeqXxPIiVgKChVvfJWh6+w2VTnUnJRFIET7YsjaK968LTVA12hnmlI1M/KWBzuYvH9Ns IYyBI1GKQ/y3tzBetXBrwozXN9aE0Cdb+DjYa5Sc1t1weO4/V11P2Du95IyJtK9Vrf0ROKkhJob+j XNV2Qhm4aZaPGu9VXo+rVw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 6 Jan 2024 22:56:09 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314672 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 22:56:09 -0800 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > Jean-Christophe Helary , vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > Po Lu writes: > > > and would such efforts of theirs be impaired in any manner if they > > took place outside the Emacs repository, under their own supervision? > > I tried to explain why I think this is true earlier in the thread. >From where I stand, stuff that's useful to Emacs users should be part of Emacs. Having to hunt additional sites to download useful stuff is an annoyance we should strive to minimize. > That said, let me point out that I agree that we should avoid having > this work put an overly large burden on our regular Emacs maintenance. FWIW, I see no significant maintenance burden added by these translations. If the translators don't update them, they will fall behind, and if they eventually fall behind too much, we can decide deleting them.