From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-autoselect-window-select Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:59:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83y583ngnt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wqnonvra.fsf@gnu.org> <520BA3FD.6030503@gmx.at> <83vc38nu03.fsf@gnu.org> <520BB93C.2070303@gmx.at> <838v04p2yx.fsf@gnu.org> <520CAB65.60303@gmx.at> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376578804 14419 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2013 15:00:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 15:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: martin rudalics Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 15 17:00:05 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z1u-00038a-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:00:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53749 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z1t-0004C8-TT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58182) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z1m-0004As-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z1h-0002ky-Hj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:39826) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9z1h-0002kd-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 10:59:49 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MRK00600UYF4F00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:59:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MRK005VIUYVK2C0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:59:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <520CAB65.60303@gmx.at> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162763 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:20:21 +0200 > From: martin rudalics > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > That's "text area" overloaded for you. From the technical POV of the > > display engine, text area indeed does not include the display > > margins. But from the user's POV, I think it surely does, because it > > displays the same objects as the text area does: text and images, and > > that display is created the same way as you'd display an overlay or > > display string in the "text area". > > The user's POV is that of one who uses `mouse-autoselect-window'. I > don't know if you do or ever did - if so, please tell me your settings > and why you think that the new behavior may cause you troubles. > Otherwise please read on. I don't see what my usage patterns and settings have to do with the issue at hand. The issue at hand is whether it is reasonable to NOT auto-select a window when the mouse hovers over the display margin of that window. I think this will be perceived as a misfeature, e.g. consider a buffer under linum-mode, or vc-annotate. The margins could be quite large, and they definitely are part of the window from users' perspective. If some user finds that auto-selecting a window when the mouse is over the display margins is inconvenient for her for some reason, then perhaps this feature is not for that user, and we should advise her to turn this feature off. But forcing personal preferences on others on these grounds is not right, I think. If you still don't agree, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.