From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile emacs thread (again) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:00:22 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4tcykm1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87bnqdnmlq.fsf@panthera.terpri.org> <83egv6z3s3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411318862 5088 80.91.229.3 (21 Sep 2014 17:01:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: robin@terpri.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 21 19:00:54 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XVkVJ-0006aF-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 19:00:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40200 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVkVJ-00009J-5h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:00:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45837) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVkVB-00009E-6r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:00:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVkV6-00010T-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:00:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:59056) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XVkV5-000105-RB; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:00:40 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NC900A00FWB6L00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:00:33 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NC900AD4GKW3L80@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 21 Sep 2014 20:00:33 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174615 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: rms@gnu.org, robin@terpri.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:16:07 -0400 > > > Then perhaps the goals of the Guile-Emacs project should be shifted, > > such that the first goal is to have Emacs that can use Scheme > > extensions, > > On the contrary, this should be one of the last goals. > The main goal should be to maximize the amount of existing code that > Emacs can benefit from. You mean, what Guile already has, like FFI? You will have that by using Scheme extensions. How's that a problem? > Being able to access existing Scheme libraries is great. But being able > to write Emacs extensions in Scheme is definitely not a priority and > might even be harmful to Emacs by making splitting the community and > wasting time on improving interoperability between the languages. OTOH, doing what I suggest is much easier, and will allow both sides to learn about the other one without the kind of pressure which comes with replacing the existing Lisp interpreter with a new one.