From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Remove "Recent messages" from `M-x report-emacs-bug' Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 19:31:46 +0300 Message-ID: <83y47jchvx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k2j3jq28.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462811543 24727 80.91.229.3 (9 May 2016 16:32:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 May 2016 16:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 09 18:32:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1azo6T-0007RU-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 May 2016 18:32:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42143 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1azo6S-0004Hq-8T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 May 2016 12:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45310) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1azo64-0004A4-5D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2016 12:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1azo5x-0003IO-KY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2016 12:31:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36849) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1azo5x-0003IK-I1; Mon, 09 May 2016 12:31:45 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4468 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1azo5w-0005zH-EE; Mon, 09 May 2016 12:31:45 -0400 In-reply-to: <87k2j3jq28.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 09 May 2016 15:53:19 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203725 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 15:53:19 +0200 > > Emacs bug reports include the ten most recent lines from the *Messages* > buffer. I think that's kinda unfortunate -- there may be private stuff > there that people are not expecting to share with the world. > > And I've never found that data useful when doing bug triage. > > Should we remove it from the report? Please don't. We already removed too much valuable stuff from the report, and that definitely hampers debugging remote problems. It is okay to let users opt-out by removing portions of the report, if they want that, but if we continue removing important portions of the report, we might as well delete the command altogether, because it becomes less and less useful; soon enough a simple unformatted mail message will provide the same info (or lack thereof) as this command. In case it wasn't clear, I object strenuously to unconditional removal of that info as the default behavior.