From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs on Ubuntu advice Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:59:34 +0300 Message-ID: <83y3obf8a1.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1508166052 8656 195.159.176.226 (16 Oct 2017 15:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 15:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: fabrice.popineau@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 16 17:00:39 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e46se-0000KT-2N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 17:00:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33370 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e46sj-0005nS-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 11:00:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e46s5-0005mm-1c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 11:00:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e46s1-0001y6-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 11:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:55512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e46s1-0001y2-3x; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1948 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1e46ru-0006xh-4l; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 10:59:50 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Yuri Khan on Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:49:15 +0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219579 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:49:15 +0700 > Cc: Fabrice Popineau , > Emacs developers > > On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:35 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > 1. It sounds like this is really the Windows Subsystem for GNU/Linux. > > More like GNU/“Windows Subsystem for Linux”. It is literally the GNU > userspace (as distributed by Ubuntu) working over a Microsoft > reimplementation of the Linux kernel API. Actually, the WSL is neither GNU nor Linux. It is a collection of kernel drivers and other OS components required to run on Windows ELF64 executables that issue Linux syscalls. That's what the term "Windows subsystem" means: it is not about utilities or user-space, it's about system services that create a certain environment which applications of some class need in order to run. According to MS, none of the WSL is Linux or GNU code, they say it's all a "clean-room implementation" of the Linux APIs. What Mike Gerwitz calls "GNU/kWindows" is not the WSL, it includes the WSL, the Windows NT OS kernel and other core OS components, and whatever applications the user decided to install on top of that from the Ubuntu distribution sites, not all of it free software, let alone GNU (according to https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html). If we want to chastise people for their inaccurate terminology, let's at least be accurate ourselves.