From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:56:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83y2kpf74o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <24436.53239.437810.270641@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1067"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, raman@google.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 02 08:57:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOF0R-0000Ap-2x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 08:57:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35730 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOF0Q-0003ZS-6G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 02:57:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49314) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOEzt-0003AW-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 02:56:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41753) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOEzs-0007bQ-CX; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 02:56:52 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2483 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kOEzk-0007Xr-3p; Fri, 02 Oct 2020 02:56:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 01 Oct 2020 23:49:10 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256927 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, > thibaut.verron@gmail.com, raman@google.com > Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 23:49:10 -0400 > > C-z is the normal character to suspend any program, under the shell. > Emacs is unusual in that it detects C-z by hand and suspends itself. > For most programs, C-z generats SIGTSTP to suspend the process. I understand. However, suspending Emacs is a very infrequent operation these days, what with most everyone working in a windowed environment. And OTOH there are some very frequently-used commands that can be conveniently bound to C-z; suspending is still possible with C-x C-z. That said, I'm not necessarily arguing to unbind C-z or rebind it by default, I'm just explaining why I did that myself, long time ago. I assume there are others like me.