From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: use-package documentation Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2023 09:43:51 +0200 Message-ID: <83y1qgumyw.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10864"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Masterson Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 08:44:07 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pDhOZ-0002fJ-4R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 08:44:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDhO9-0003cj-Uu; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 02:43:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDhO8-0003bW-Iu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 02:43:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDhO7-0000u2-Kz; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 02:43:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=AxxMTkTLE1UDaPDZiHw6pXdX2ihWMWMSQWpTzhRo67o=; b=jeLy+aB+QgiN AcQhiYNh/3hAvIW4GtMWRKL/i6/0NAOZdkRJlm7OKDvGr0GwVUcCsNdtx0wdIt/uiY6TT7PHn05Bq gMJEaQM4GW2NisVIZ9dRjYNmoNPxNywGxbUifAmIObl3AYHJhH9D/fFG1mmzRl1BnStqIrI8xbePI uLQEqPUU/osuyiskYUCnXuBos+ZVLf7bsPsCqm1FOZQrExrtETdqAmRnMra6ND3k42mJukTm3kZcj NDmS478eZkLyRkILXlEioi6BDMt3GqJEjLScxxXOiWqITKUX/WVLGIkVoeUJQJ4aIKUywM47eUUdM hb9lVJoFZ65/qETQ0hhMug==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pDhO1-0006jE-Am; Fri, 06 Jan 2023 02:43:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from David Masterson on Thu, 05 Jan 2023 22:03:57 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302250 Archived-At: > From: David Masterson > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2023 22:03:57 -0800 > > Richard Stallman writes: > > Question: is it too early to "integrate" use-package documentation in > standard Emacs documents when there are other variants of use-package > (quelpa, straight, etc.) out there that may enhance or replace it? > > Personally, I could see use-package (or variant) be the standard tool > for providing a standard structure to an init file and, so, talking > about that structure and how use-package helps facilitate it would > belong in the "Customization" section of the Emacs manual. This would > be for new users graduating from push button setup (M-x customize) into > the next level of "programming" Emacs to fit the environment they want. > References could point to the Elisp manual to go beyond the basics of > "initialization" (setq, setup functions, etc.) to full programming for > really special customization. This is no longer a theoretical argument: use-package is now shortly described in both core manuals as I thought it should be, with a cross-reference to the full manual that came with use-package. So please review what's in the manuals now, and if you have concrete suggestions for changes or improvements, please post such specific suggestions wrt the existing text in the manuals.