From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:54:09 +0300 Message-ID: <83y1k9z6y6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <83edmask4z.fsf@gnu.org> <5c02371a-3c42-de66-70b7-4ed0d88cc3fa@gutov.dev> <834jn159vs.fsf@gnu.org> <831qi23bif.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzvuy2e7.fsf@yahoo.com> <83sfai1nq6.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz1mxvc2.fsf@yahoo.com> <83lega1iv1.fsf@gnu.org> <878rc9y7vh.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19396"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 24 08:55:09 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qCxAq-0004o7-Fy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:55:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCx9p-0007Ht-0b; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 02:54:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCx9n-0007Hh-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 02:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCx9n-0005RF-46; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 02:54:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=NTffIkM9ZYrwinBIoxzjc6/VAtVlgFqipVp/Rx/7+L4=; b=NdJoVvtatXUfxFhoqwE3 Xfmbox/nJnll08R3NnnPtPe2uo7XTxPB7zoY6b1EjZd/i5iai6YSdT3/jTHN/MbSFAKNKYunR2J3v jVZ2fcBU70/0a4B032wv6Ek2Wo63Gr0L/d+U6eSL22YTMCFRXaqR8zwncl5uW9EQbeKb7GflPkXRn gdQtXvxbD/QM2D1V7YXyhssjLeihiWqOF/C3de/7q8tQQUCn9f+L9d3fDQ9F85T6jkSFkanOfqKNK 5mvH4gM5RZnb467xhRwkxNacM544unHwH81W49OM678HglUJgxc9ZcmtfYE4KCsqjBHyPJ4W2Ugf2 3CwjmJKrdjOlTA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qCx9e-0000mw-5A; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 02:53:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878rc9y7vh.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:19:30 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307170 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 09:19:30 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > This description doesn't fit the reality. People who use the NS port > > are quite disappointed by the problems that don't get solved, and I as > > the maintainer cannot remain indifferent to their plight. It breaks > > my heart that I can do almost nothing to facilitate the solution of > > those problems. And mind you, no one thinks the NS problems are > > "unimportant", we are just unable to fix them, even though we all > > agree they are grave and should be fixed ASAP. > > > > So you might be indifferent to such problems, or consider them > > "unimportant", but IMO any responsible maintainer will not; I > > certainly am not. And if we envision such problems to happen sooner > > rather than later to the Android port, we may wish to decide whether > > we want this now, before the danger becomes real -- as it became with > > other similar features. > > I'm not indifferent to those problems with the NS port: I hope that some > day, they will be fixed. However, Emacs development _should_ be > indifferent to them, as its goal is to develop a high quality text > editor for the GNU operating system, and not specifically others. > > Which seems especially reasonable, considering that the reality of > volunteer-driven development is that every port will usually be stuck > with one maintainer, at least until that maintainer steps down. That's exactly the issue at hand, thank you. I'd like very much to hear people speak up about these aspects, not anything else. Lars, Stefan, Robert, Martin, Mattias, Philip, Dmitry, Joćo, and all the rest of frequent contributors and developers: where are you? I'd love to hear your opinions on this.