From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: seq.el and the complexity of Emacs Lisp. Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2023 16:12:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83y1f91wl4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pm0n2h5j.fsf@gnu.org> <42480.5172298633$1699275087@news.gmane.org> <87edh2fu39.fsf@dataswamp.org> <9c1e5ef2-f3a5-4bd1-927e-6d9679023402@gmx.at> <87a5rplvkg.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87o7g5k6yn.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3300"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 07 15:13:26 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r0Mpa-0000fT-7M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2023 15:13:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0Moo-0004vn-Hl; Tue, 07 Nov 2023 09:12:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0Mon-0004vf-82 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Nov 2023 09:12:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r0Mom-0005A4-3g; Tue, 07 Nov 2023 09:12:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=oVsDrXyKfrhlGjWeDWRzW6251G98rFBYxzFmHZfp6/o=; b=ACQe65qYnh/C I4hEYanS5/mjoiwu0q3rVjJbbAeS3nCKGAi1TrU/JnvnGeai2AFGH7UeJum33rOqUT/5GuN3gqBbE 3ZVTjd1NdmfDGt5N3v8b0bXrDwa3B7mK2OA8p1R56GNw1lfZEivqbT+1nX7ivJYW06wksclzqI8vN doVqudIMd5hDTyAeQOnWQ3lJwdeMFOlClHOpVLH4ThaEQyfZgyvJ/MqbvoR66f3oZUbJLcpiVy8Uh aeezgIeV0rzg6kT3RGZMAve7t4sfnNSu47WwMuBDeDzEhP7uGZmXEIURQIgiinpHuy8wVeQB/O7Ly R230jTwTmTC/jRQ9Ii2RPQ==; In-Reply-To: <87o7g5k6yn.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 07 Nov 2023 14:50:56 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312310 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2023 14:50:56 +0100 > > Harald Judt wrote: > > > My response was targeted more at the general denial to code > > changes, not about this discussion about cl-lib. > > Your assumption that every change needs to be driven by > > benefit seems a bit short-sighted to me. It is probably good > > enough when you want to build something fast without having > > to care about it much later. Maybe it holds when you lack > > time because then not wasting time is a priority. But if you > > want to build something for long-term use, it might not be > > an optimal solution. Having to depend on immediate benefits > > to change anything also loses importance when time is not > > that much of a priority. > > Well, now we are getting into the whole "revolution vs > evolution" discussion. Once again, please take this discussion to emacs-tangents. It doesn't belong here.