From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Request: Use message instead of message_with_string for user visible output? Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:21:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83wql0f1ej.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382804545 7522 80.91.229.3 (26 Oct 2013 16:22:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V. Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 26 18:22:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Va6d6-00071i-JG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 18:22:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Va6d6-0005S9-6H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:22:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49786) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Va6cw-0005Rr-9u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Va6co-0003zi-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:22:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:65244) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Va6co-0003zW-NN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:22:06 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVA00C00AME7M00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:22:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVA00CINASQ4Y40@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:22:02 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164560 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 09:11:41 -0700 > From: "T.V. Raman" > > Emacspeak produces all its spoken feedback via advice --- so in > general, output that gets done purely through the C layer ends up > by-passing the advice layer. We could have special hooks to support Emacspeak and its likes, without moving everything to Lisp. Advice IMO is a kludgey way to get features which are missing in the infrastructure; if large and important (to some) packages such as Emacspeak need features that are missing, it is better to add such features than to rely on kludges forever.