From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 26.1 release branch created Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 09:41:05 +0300 Message-ID: <83wp4tg9dq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83377mls4d.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919173511.GA19168@ACM> <83bmm6h8vr.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919180944.GB19168@ACM> <838thah71i.fsf@gnu.org> <20170919194356.GC19168@ACM> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1505889823 32131 195.159.176.226 (20 Sep 2017 06:43:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 20 08:43:38 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1duYjS-000882-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 08:43:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47028 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duYjZ-0004tf-E2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:43:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54701) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duYhD-0003AV-Ky for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:41:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duYh9-0004BP-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:41:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58717) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1duYh9-0004BG-0B; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:41:15 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2973 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1duYh8-0001HR-Fa; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 02:41:14 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170919194356.GC19168@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:43:56 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:218568 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:43:56 +0000 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , jwiegley@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > A few days ago, somebody on the help list complained that his quotes > were being messed up in help messages. Eli answered him by explaining > about curly quotes, and what Emacs does with ASCII quotes. That much is > not in the manual. That problem was due to a faulty font used by the OP, so it had absolutely nothing to do with curly quotes per se. The same problem would have happened with any other non-ASCII character, the quotes just served as a "canary". > My main concern at the moment is my belief that you have been and are > attempting to maximise the difficulty faced by Emacs users in disabling > curly quotes. I don't think many users will want to do that. Until now, the only voices I heard are from this list, and people here will not have any difficulty in using a not-so-documented non-defcustom. One of important principles in Emacs development should be that we don't revert our decisions too lightly, unless a decision proves to be a disaster. And we are not there yet, not by far.