From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longtime user of emacs Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 17:23:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83wo34luwg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87365uel05.fsf@localhost> <878sfl9vti.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tuy9l0d1.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34123"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, rrandresf@gmail.com, jnorden@tntech.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 15 16:23:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jviK4-0008kc-80 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:23:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58210 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jviK2-0005aJ-8n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:23:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49790) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jviJZ-00059k-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:23:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58343) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jviJY-0002QB-EH; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:23:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1832 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jviJX-00050K-UI; Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:23:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tuy9l0d1.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:10:34 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252969 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 15:10:34 +0800 > Cc: "andres.ramirez" , Jeff Norden , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Some thoughts: > 1. The link to the tour in the welcome page is not easy to spot for a > new user. There is too much information. I might be better to show it by > default on first startup after installation. > 2. Currently, the tour is one long web-page, which is not very easy to > read. I imagine that a presentation-like style (with prev/next buttons > on each page) showing one concept at a time would be easier to read. > 3. The tour may as well include interactive customisation. For example, > 'Migrating to Emacs' part of the tour may as well contain a clickable > element to turn on CUA mode by default. > 4. The tour might ask user questions if the user is going to work with > source code, email, web-browsing, shell, etc. If the user is not > planning to work with certain things, they may as well be hidden from > menu and customisation pages. By hidden I don't mean completely hidden, > but rather "folded" - the user should be able to show them back. > For a newcomer, Emacs offers very too many different options. I believe > that it makes more sense to restrict the customisation and menus to what > user explicitly plans to do. It should be already more than enough to > start learning. > 5. Similar guided tours may be created for most popular Emacs features: > - working with source code > - org-mode > - version-control and collaboration > - remote file access > - mail > Those tours might also offer some initial customisation, so that the > user may disable/enable some features which are not relevant to > his/her workflow. > The guides should be easily accessible from menu. > 6. Some new users might be confused by default file open dialogie > involving mode-line. I believe that similarly to CUA-mode, Emacs can > emulate more standard approach by offering dired as a way to open files > (not enabled by default, but offered as a customisation together with > CUA-mode). Thank you for writing this. I would encourage interested people to work on some of these ideas.