From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:03:58 +0200 Message-ID: <83wnxh91qp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 16 17:07:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpZKx-0008Fy-5u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:07:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40250 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpZKw-0006Wv-9Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 11:07:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpZHZ-0003CH-BZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 11:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpZHY-0003Lv-Rw; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 11:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4968 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kpZHV-0003Vi-W3; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 11:04:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:24:07 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261010 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:24:07 +0100 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I mean, look at the toolbar that happens when you "emacs -Q": You get an > Emacs with a scratch buffer... with a "Save" icon. In a buffer that > can't be saved. Which is why the "Save" button is disabled when you are in *scratch*. > That's how much attention we've spent on toolbars in two decades. I think we gave the tool bar (and the menu bar) attention it deserves. > All the items in the *scratch* buffer toolbar are more natural for a > menu, and they're already present there. That is generally true for any tool bar in any GUI program.