From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Change default behavior of some commands that act on region? Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 22:42:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83wnrpi6dv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83im3aj6ns.fsf@gnu.org> <8335udjxeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgwliar1.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10614"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 23 21:43:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lku0H-0002bP-VU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 21:43:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57454 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lku0G-00071s-1T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 15:43:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lktzf-0006La-PZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 15:42:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lktze-0004Zb-Ra; Sun, 23 May 2021 15:42:34 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1565 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lktzd-0003YF-Bv; Sun, 23 May 2021 15:42:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 23 May 2021 19:22:06 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269694 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 19:22:06 +0000 > Cc: "monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" , > "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > > No, it is what I actually wrote. I suggested that > "some" (SOME) such commands "might" (MIGHT) "benefit". No, that's what you say now. > Saying that some _commands_ haven't yet awakened to > handle taking t-m-m into account is only saying that > they haven't been updated to take t-m-m into account. > > It says nothing about "the Emacs developers", and > certainly not that they are "obtuse or worse". Is it > possible to point to areas of possible improvement > for Emacs without being accused of attacking you? Depends on the words you use. May I suggest that you think about your words some more next time? You have been pointed out by several people already that your style and attitude make it very unpleasant to have useful conversations with you. > There are many such commands. Maybe there are only > a few that, upon consideration, we would want to > update. Who knows, without considering? Here we go again: you assume, almost by default, that no one has considered that. And of course, your opinion that clearly shows is that if we DID consider it, we would have changed MANY commands. > The connection to this thread is that there are > commands that might well be doing something less > than ideal in t-m-m with an inactive region, and > the proposal is about a general way to handle some > of that. If you know about such commands (besides the two you mentioned), name them. Otherwise such vague claims aren't useful.