From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 9b762c35a1: Add Sefirot to Omer counting Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 15:20:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83wneuuccs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83y1zcwq56.fsf@gnu.org> <20220509.075441.710349049819527507.enometh@meer.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17985"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: enometh@meer.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eric Brown Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 09 14:56:20 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1no2w0-0004PC-Ea for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 14:56:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43898 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1no2vz-0000Yu-CP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 08:56:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56636) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1no2N9-0004Sn-Do for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 08:20:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50134) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1no2N8-00052o-Ro; Mon, 09 May 2022 08:20:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Nubeou1ocukzlfVZdazjtja9Sw73vTE8tpRPBlxKWIY=; b=ri1JpZOqpobi EBktIo3KvfLCPqxDhcdBtbPJLevTTd4q+W3UTUkXTBFh18+9XUw4N0xtIV4QgWBAFPvxvnyJuUPVz IvEwIpYDGlQ/TlNwBeJsOBicTpaV6T+NvMFmI8WXVVlqpesIkRV/esPZsIOgb2JhWU5Qhn14w/LOQ PsVD0+HLttZB7fTsGfoQI4ZFckOWtGFM0/jtAQpjWxxQHRrQiK06TO+dwRihFNAR3pOVRyGNZYKq6 xtsiXTm6MvJgu/VeWwNhBccOYrUkypIj6ix1KPqr3VGrqOh6yJ+S0IFq+UGhcr4yEeGJ0BodCG+Em 1xTSQ06Ov+DuNDvUHEMDBg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3507 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1no2Mx-00086R-Gs; Mon, 09 May 2022 08:20:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Eric Brown on Mon, 09 May 2022 06:34:13 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289526 Archived-At: > From: Eric Brown > Cc: rms@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 May 2022 06:34:13 -0500 > > Madhu writes: > > > I don't understand why you presume the these are only of sectarian or > > religious significance. There may be a prejudiced value judgment here > > based on incorrect presumptions, which ends up limiting freedom > > > > The biblical references for the Parashat HaShavua and its Haftorah are > definitely religious in nature. And the Hebrew calendar itself isn't? Where do we draw the line? The proposal was NOT to cite those texts in Emacs, the proposal was just to _name_ them. Now, please tell me what is the fundamental difference between having the string "Bereishit" in Emacs and having the string "Rosh HaShanah" or "Yom Kippur" in Emacs? Yom Kippur isn't just a date, it has a very strong religious meaning, and without that is just another day. Or what about "Tzom Gedaliah" -- isn't that a 100% religious notion? >From where I stand, naming or labeling dates is OK in Emacs's calendar-related features; but _quoting_ religious texts related to those dates is outside the scope of Emacs. A label or a name are just references to a thing, they aren't the thing itself (mumbles the immortal passage from Alice in Wonderland regarding the difference between a thing, the name of a thing, the name of the name, etc...)