From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:46:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83vdnosyg4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87my92dmdt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> <32DB30B2393C495A8763CFCDEF4A8E3D@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243284397 1682 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 20:46:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 22:46:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8h40-0006Jy-QZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 22:46:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44041 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8h40-0002qT-Bx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:46:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8h3u-0002qE-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:46:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8h3t-0002pq-Ci for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:46:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45385 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8h3t-0002pj-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:46:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout4.012.net.il ([84.95.2.10]:54853 helo=mtaout3.012.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8h3r-00008U-QH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 16:46:20 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KK700800WBFQP00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:46:18 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.115.215]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KK700LHLWD5H460@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Mon, 25 May 2009 23:46:18 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <32DB30B2393C495A8763CFCDEF4A8E3D@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111087 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: > Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 01:18:02 -0700 > > > Pretest is not for changing the default behavior. They are for fixing > > bugs before the release. The time for users to voice their objections > > and requests for improvements is after Emacs is released. There's > > always the next release. > > I see. So if you happen not to have dug deeply into each discussion thread > before the prerelease, and spoken up about it, you're out of luck? Your voice > doesn't count because it's too late? If you come too late in the pretest, yes. If we allow non-critical changes beyond certain point, we will either never make a release or release a buggy version (because each change might have, and usually has unintended consequences). > That's ridiculous. That's life. And just to keep this in perspective, we are talking about the default value of an easily customizable option. How critical could a default be, even if it turns out to be disliked by many?