From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: beginning-on-line oddness Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <83vcbrnxwc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87obhj2z3g.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1356371400 18471 80.91.229.3 (24 Dec 2012 17:50:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 24 18:50:15 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TnCAI-00046N-5j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:50:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60107 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnCA4-0003y4-5l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:50:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:32804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnC9l-0003wT-MD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:49:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnC9Z-0004t3-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:49:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47513) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TnC9Z-0004qV-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:49:29 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MFJ00900QP6AJ00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:49:27 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MFJ0099TQUF49L0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 19:49:27 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87obhj2z3g.fsf@gnus.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155865 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:29:07 +0100 > > Gnus has a mode where it uses that there "ellipsis" thing to hide > summary lines. > > `beginning-of-line' now doesn't move to the beginning of the line, but > to the beginning of one of the hidden lines, apparently. > > So I thought this might do the trick: > > (while (not (bolp)) > (forward-line 0)) > > Nope. > > But if I do that, and then do it again, then it works. That is, if I > let the display loop run a bit, then it gets past the hidden line > ending. Or something. > > The documentation of `beginning-of-line' looks to be written in a > strange, foreign language that I can't make heads or tails of. > "Fields"? What's a "field"? > > So is this a bug or are we now supposed to replace all our > `beginning-of-line' calls with something new that makes point go to the > beginning of the line? Hard to tell without a simple reproducible recipe. (No, I don't use Gnus.) Can this be shown in 'emacs -Q"?